Kenya Talks

a4architect wrote:@ Lyudmila..true..here tuko pamoja the political landscape is the MPs who make the flawed laws. To change these people who are voted in by Kenyans will need a very efficient Electoral commission that vets and advises Kenyans not to vote in people who will rubber stamp any bill without proper indulgence.Also, the MPs voted in should be morally upright.

Energizer wrote:Now you know why Dr Masinde's prophecy is guaranteed to come true and why Raila has an uphill task in earning the trust of the 'Owners' of Kenya, leave alone winning an election. If the 'Owners' have to rig the elections (again as some would say) to prevent Raila from entering Statehouse, they will do so without a second thought, and the same Police refusing court orders now will be used to enforce the 'rigging', Ocampo or no Ocampo.
This is why i pity those who have put their faith in ICC to reconfigure Kenyan power politics.
Raila's best hope is to 'tosha' Mudavadi because has a far better chance in taking on Uhuruto since both Mudavadi and Uhuruto are part of the 'Owners' power matrix which Raila is not, no matter how hard he tries to endear himself to them.

pajero wrote:So have started exploring the rigging option,things must be really tight for you guys,Raila is running with the presidency,Roundi hii hakuna rigging,We will handle you Gbago style.

Energizer wrote::roll: Who is 'we' in the first place? Has it occurred to you that people are tired of violence?
In any case, the likelihood of Raila winning the election enough to prompt the 'Owners' to rig is very remote. For one, Raila is himself going to rig the ODM nominations, take that to the bank. Indeed, the delegates list has already been doctored by Nyong'o - and this is info i got from a die-hard ODM supporter. Elections were held over 2 months ago yet Nyong'o is yet to submit the list to the registrar of political parties; what is he doing keeping except for purposes of 'reconciliation'? Mudavadi knows this and he is just waiting for the opportune moment to get a credible excuse to bolt ODM-R, and Raila has already provided it. WHEN Mudavadi bolts, as he surely will, WHERE will Raila get the votes to even make him a credible opponent? You guys are jokers. You have ruined ODM all by yourselves without help from anyone.

a4architect wrote:@lyudmila quote:'We need to bond over something meaningful so we can be brothers first':
Good point. Both ODM and PNU should be looking at the best method to find the bonding element. Whoever finds that bonding element first wins the 2012 elections hands down.

Lyudmila wrote:

Energizer wrote::roll: Who is 'we' in the first place? Has it occurred to you that people are tired of violence?
In any case, the likelihood of Raila winning the election enough to prompt the 'Owners' to rig is very remote. For one, Raila is himself going to rig the ODM nominations, take that to the bank. Indeed, the delegates list has already been doctored by Nyong'o - and this is info i got from a die-hard ODM supporter. Elections were held over 2 months ago yet Nyong'o is yet to submit the list to the registrar of political parties; what is he doing keeping except for purposes of 'reconciliation'? Mudavadi knows this and he is just waiting for the opportune moment to get a credible excuse to bolt ODM-R, and Raila has already provided it. WHEN Mudavadi bolts, as he surely will, WHERE will Raila get the votes to even make him a credible opponent? You guys are jokers. You have ruined ODM all by yourselves without help from anyone.

Unless you are also directly drinking from the national tap it makes no sense to attack and challenge fellow kenyans in this manner.

Energizer wrote:See here:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gkyNqbIq ... r_embedded

Lyudmila wrote:

Energizer wrote::roll: Who is 'we' in the first place? Has it occurred to you that people are tired of violence?
In any case, the likelihood of Raila winning the election enough to prompt the 'Owners' to rig is very remote. For one, Raila is himself going to rig the ODM nominations, take that to the bank. Indeed, the delegates list has already been doctored by Nyong'o - and this is info i got from a die-hard ODM supporter. Elections were held over 2 months ago yet Nyong'o is yet to submit the list to the registrar of political parties; what is he doing keeping except for purposes of 'reconciliation'? Mudavadi knows this and he is just waiting for the opportune moment to get a credible excuse to bolt ODM-R, and Raila has already provided it. WHEN Mudavadi bolts, as he surely will, WHERE will Raila get the votes to even make him a credible opponent? You guys are jokers. You have ruined ODM all by yourselves without help from anyone.

Energizer wrote:Now you know why Dr Masinde's prophecy is guaranteed to come true and why Raila has an uphill task in earning the trust of the 'Owners' of Kenya, leave alone winning an election. If the 'Owners' have to rig the elections (again as some would say) to prevent Raila from entering Statehouse, they will do so without a second thought, and the same Police refusing court orders now will be used to enforce the 'rigging', Ocampo or no Ocampo.
This is why i pity those who have put their faith in ICC to reconfigure Kenyan power politics.
Raila's best hope is to 'tosha' Mudavadi because has a far better chance in taking on Uhuruto since both Mudavadi and Uhuruto are part of the 'Owners' power matrix which Raila is not, no matter how hard he tries to endear himself to them.

okoths72 wrote:jaribu ku rig round hii huyo mtu wenyu wa matako kubwa totapeleka Hague

Energizer wrote:Now you know why Dr Masinde's prophecy is guaranteed to come true and why Raila has an uphill task in earning the trust of the 'Owners' of Kenya, leave alone winning an election. If the 'Owners' have to rig the elections (again as some would say) to prevent Raila from entering Statehouse, they will do so without a second thought, and the same Police refusing court orders now will be used to enforce the 'rigging', Ocampo or no Ocampo.
This is why i pity those who have put their faith in ICC to reconfigure Kenyan power politics.
Raila's best hope is to 'tosha' Mudavadi because has a far better chance in taking on Uhuruto since both Mudavadi and Uhuruto are part of the 'Owners' power matrix which Raila is not, no matter how hard he tries to endear himself to them.

Lyudmila wrote:

a4architect wrote:@ Lyudmila..true..here tuko pamoja the political landscape is the MPs who make the flawed laws. To change these people who are voted in by Kenyans will need a very efficient Electoral commission that vets and advises Kenyans not to vote in people who will rubber stamp any bill without proper indulgence.Also, the MPs voted in should be morally upright.

I still think we have never defined what it means to be Kenyan. National unity is an empty loyalty pledge few can barely recite and apart from sporting events that bring national pride the Kenyan identity is very weak compared to our tribal bonds which run centuries. We need to bond over something meaningful so we can be brothers first.

RV Heavy hitter! wrote:

Lyudmila wrote:

a4architect wrote:@ Lyudmila..true..here tuko pamoja the political landscape is the MPs who make the flawed laws. To change these people who are voted in by Kenyans will need a very efficient Electoral commission that vets and advises Kenyans not to vote in people who will rubber stamp any bill without proper indulgence.Also, the MPs voted in should be morally upright.

I still think we have never defined what it means to be Kenyan. National unity is an empty loyalty pledge few can barely recite and apart from sporting events that bring national pride the Kenyan identity is very weak compared to our tribal bonds which run centuries. We need to bond over something meaningful so we can be brothers first.

Hapo lyudmilla ume nena. Power of national pride goes long way.