Kenya Talks

Any captured manyatta town?

Amfadow?

The dumbest war ever continues.

When we thought Dubya had waged enough dumb wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.

We have kenya army with 2,000 infrantry invading a lawless somalia with apparently no plan; no objective;no real mandate from constitution or international law;no real support from international bodies;no support from somalis;no nothing. Just a shadowy suspicious dumb "war".

Well Maj Chirchir has gotten tired reporting capture of little deserted manyattas (towns );

Today we captured Muchata; Wanginge and we are advancing towards Ndumberere.

habari funda? i also dont know for the life of me why anybody made a decision to go the American way of 'going for the enemy' while in actual sense it means openin up ur ass for some serious whackn. It's absolutely crazy.

On another note, report from the happy valley: the gravaillea are more suited to warm weather. They have grown tall and have thick stems, problem is their leaves are a somwhat brownish /greenish. Cypress doesnt give a hoot about cold-tall, dark green, handsome. All the flowers were murdered by the contractors bringn in building materials and the few survivors were crushed by the fundis feet. The merinos are fat n healthy, graxing lazily on grass growin naturally huko nje-spoilt brats. And yeah, the freshians are a seriously healthy lot, producin cream and not white milk. the milk cream turns completely yellow when cold-excessive nutrients i hear. The place is completely emerald the whole yr through.

Still wondern loudly if this valley+mt marriage can last even for a one night stand now that am safely tucked up the chilly slopes of Nyandarua ranges with no dreams whatsoever of ever returning to the lavish wild wide plains of Uasin Gishu.

back to my karofo. thaaaaai thathaia Ngai thaaaaaai.

Good to see you back. Look like you stuck to your plans. Are you staying there or you visit during the weekend? On trees & flowers--good work; I know fundi story; those bastards don't give hoot about trees or flowers; you leave them and you find they done all damages. KPLC i think takes the cake from my part--i found they had nearly anguash all trees--eti to get clear view before digging--damn it--and you know mavoko desert--it takes patiences; water and all sort of prayers for a tree to grow.

Stupid war--leave that one to KDF--i hope they get whacked--now we have to dodge grenades?

If the stupid GoK had semblance of planning..they would have weeded Al shababs in Nairobi before they go to Kismayu.

Patriot! wrote:habari funda? i also dont know for the life of me why anybody made a decision to go the American way of 'going for the enemy' while in actual sense it means openin up ur ass for some serious whackn. It's absolutely crazy.

On another note, report from the happy valley: the gravaillea are more suited to warm weather. They have grown tall and have thick stems, problem is their leaves are a somwhat brownish /greenish. Cypress doesnt give a hoot about cold-tall, dark green, handsome. All the flowers were murdered by the contractors bringn in building materials and the few survivors were crushed by the fundis feet. The merinos are fat n healthy, graxing lazily on grass growin naturally huko nje-spoilt brats. And yeah, the freshians are a seriously healthy lot, producin cream and not white milk. the milk cream turns completely yellow when cold-excessive nutrients i hear. The place is completely emerald the whole yr through.

Still wondern loudly if this valley+mt marriage can last even for a one night stand now that am safely tucked up the chilly slopes of Nyandarua ranges with no dreams whatsoever of ever returning to the lavish wild wide plains of Uasin Gishu.

back to my karofo. thaaaaai thathaia Ngai thaaaaaai.

this army at times I doubt its credibility. now afmadow they have been planning to capture it for days. the first week excuse was rain and muddy terrain,second week rains subsidises but still they are advancing this chirchir guy possibly has resigned after noticing he is repeating what he is telling us. a few hundred shabab in afmadow really need all that planning? I bet if it weren't for american support you did hear our soldiers marching in the reverse side back home

Eti they send total of 4K men against al shabab 10,000 plus--that doesn't even factor the recent forced recruitment by Al shabab. Uganda have 8,000 guarding the little Mogadishu...and progress has been painstakingly slowly. Now imagine 4,000 folks guarding a territory that is twice NEP...and they said it impossible to guard our border

Njuri Ncheke wrote:this army at times I doubt its credibility. now afmadow they have been planning to capture it for days. the first week excuse was rain and muddy terrain,second week rains subsidises but still they are advancing this chirchir guy possibly has resigned after noticing he is repeating what he is telling us. a few hundred shabab in afmadow really need all that planning? I bet if it weren't for american support you did hear our soldiers marching in the reverse side back home

RV Pundit wrote:We have kenya army with 2,000 infrantry invading a lawless somalia

KDF
2,000 - 4,000 highly-trained troops.
Superior field officers, logistics and intelligence.
Armour: Panhard AML-90 armoured vehicles (90 mm quick-firing gun); Puma M-26 APCs; Possibly Vickers Mk3 tanks; Other armoured vehicles
Air Force: F-5 Tiger II aircraft; MD 500MD and Z-9W attack helicopters; US - MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper hunter-killer drones.
Navy: Kenyan & French naval ships
Friendly Somali militias, including TFG and Azania forces, US and French military and intelligence support.
Al Shabaab
Approx. 8,000 untrained militia.
Some "Technicals" (machine guns mounted on pickup trucks); RPGs.

RV Pundit wrote:...with apparently no plan

Rapid, multi-pronged attack on several fronts, forcing the enemy to spread out very thinly and denying them the opportunity to concentrate forces in a pitched battle. Simultaneous action by the US, France, friendly Somali militia and AMISOM. Al Shabaab battling on several fronts. Plan of operation (courtesy of @Risasi):
Phase 1: Recce Missions
Intelligence gathering and recce missions are conducted in the area of operations. Remember the ex-KDF, AS recruiter? He provided good info to the MIC after he was apprehended.
Phase 2: Tactical strikes/bombing
Is conducted by the KAF Tiger. Night bombing runs from Wajir FOB into Somalia to neutralize targets identified by our specop/recce squads. These are usually larger targets. Concentrated milita camps, dormitories, parked gun-mounted pick-ups etc
Phase 3: Anti-personnel strikes
Conducted by gunships. MD500 armed with a GPMG and pod and ZW-9 at night, the purpose is to flush out dug-in forces and scout the area.
Phase 4: Raid
Ground troops advance onto the targets area/zone/towns.

The US sent in drones after the operation began. The drones are assisting in the phase 1 (recce). They can loiter and scout above targets silently and with high endurance. If available target are observed, they handed over to FOB Wajir for the Tigers to neutralize. If it seems that the target will be lost by the time the Tigers arrive, only then will the drone fire a missile at it.
The French, based on their Human intelligence on the ground identify targets and shell them from the sea. They relieve sorties that KAF would have undertaken (phase2). The shelled coordinates are handed over to KDF for phase 3 and 4 of the operation.

RV Pundit wrote:...no objective

Objectives:
- Secure Kenya/Somalia border by driving Al Shabaab deep into Somali territory and/or annihilating them.
- Draw significant Al Shabaab forces from Mog, allowing TFG and AMISOM to secure the city.
- Reinforce Azania forces and assist in establishing a stable Azania administration.
- Facilitate the return of 500,000+ refugees to Somalia
- All consequential effects of the above vis-a-vis Kenyan security and economy.

RV Pundit wrote:...no real mandate from constitution or international law

Kenya Constitution, Article 241
(1) There are established the Kenya Defence Forces.
(2) The Defence Forces consist of (a) the Kenya Army; (b) the Kenya Air Force; and (c) the Kenya Navy.
(3) The Defence Forces
(a) are responsible for the defence and protection of the sovereignty and territorial integrity of the Republic;
(b) shall assist and cooperate with other authorities in situations of emergency or disaster, and report to the National Assembly whenever deployed in such circumstances; and
(c) may be deployed to restore peace in any part of Kenya affected by unrest or instability only with the approval of the National Assembly.

United Nations Charter, Chapter VII, Article 51
Nothing in the present Charter shall impair the inherent right of individual or collective self-defence if an armed attack occurs against a Member of the United Nations, until the Security Council has taken measures necessary to maintain international peace and security. Measures taken by Members in the exercise of this right of self-defence shall be immediately reported to the Security Council and shall not in any way affect the authority and responsibility of the Security Council under the present Charter to take at any time such action as it deems necessary in order to maintain or restore international peace and security.

RV Pundit wrote:...no real support from international bodies;

It might help me answer this question if you gave a few examples of international bodies that support war.

RV Pundit wrote:...no support from somalis.

- Azania forces, TFG and other Somali militia are actively participating in the conflict on Kenya's side.
- Jubilant Somalis are kissing Kenya Army-issued boots for having driven out the Al Shabaab.

RV Pundit wrote:...no nothing. Just a shadowy suspicious dumb "war".

"No nothing" is relative: if you don't educate yourself, then you no nothing.
"Dumb" is also relative. Dumb people find things they don't understand "dumb."
"Shadowy" - of uncertain identity or nature. The Al Shabaab are shadowy, for example.
"Suspicious" - having or showing a cautious distrust of someone or something. Like Al Shabaab.

If there is any military jargon that you don't understand, please don't hesitate to ask.

Just two quiz.define military victory and tell us when you're doing that.When are you defeating al shabab that is waging war against civilians in Nairobi NOW/

Your recce insider can help you track sleepers cells right here..before you go to war 500kms inside Somalia.

40,000 Ethiopians with more superior capabilities were in Mogadishu in first week...while you 4,000 highly trained folks [only about 2,000 are infrantry] are stucked in mud some 100 kms from our borders.Meanwhile Airforce are bombing what? Manyattas or Hemas?

Sound like you got well planned incursion.....

The initial enthusiasm of reportage from DOD has fizzled out.

And Al Shabab are not even started

Waging conventional war against unconventional enemy is DUMbB

WilsonWongg wrote:If there is any military jargon that you don't understand, please don't hesitate to ask.

mr.wilsonwongg am impressed by your analysis. but don't you think with that kind of elaborate and immense fire-power our troops would be now on the outskirts if not centre of kismayu. again 4,000 troops to capture a rugged area almost size of Kenya. is that not pushing luck??, do you know Ethiopia invaded with 33,000 troops??

RV Pundit wrote:Just two quiz.define military victory and tell us when you're doing that.When are you defeating al shabab that is waging war against civilians in Nairobi NOW?
You recce insider can help you track sleepers cells right here..before you go to war.

40,000 Ethiopians with more superior capabilities were in Mogadishu in first week...while you 4,000 highly trained folks are stucked in mad some 100 kms from our borders.Meanwhile Airforce are bombing what? Manyattas or Hemas?

The initial enthusiasm of reportage from DOD has fizzled out.

And Al Shabab are not even started

WilsonWongg wrote:If there is any military jargon that you don't understand, please don't hesitate to ask.

Like you said not so long ago, this is not a Hollywood movie. There are no Rambos here. No one said victory would be easy or happen within a week.
There is a purpose to this action and it has been deemed for the greater good of Kenya. It has been months in the planning. It is not a knee-jerk reaction to the kidnappings, which merely served to garner international sympathy for Kenya.
Defence of our borders is the mandate of the KDF. Security within our borders is the mandate of the Kenya Police Service. Both are the responsibility of the government. Security services are in top gear, working to battle the AS on the local front, in our towns and cities. Sadly, there have been two bombings, fortunately with minimal casualties. You can't make and omelette without breaking an egg.
Military victory is the not the total annihilation of AS. Although that would be desirable, it is practically impossible. The best-case-scenario for Kenya would be to see a stable, functioning Somalia in which the youth would have the opportunity for gainful employment rather than waiting idly for AS recruiters, and farmers would be able to harvest and store their crops instead of running off to Dadaab whenever rains were late. However, with de facto states such as Somaliland and Puntland steaming ahead and rag-tag militia running amok in the rest of the country, that is not a realistic option. The second-best-case-scenario for Kenya then is to facilitate the establishment of a stable Azania, modelled on Somaliland/Puntland, with the same objectives as above, i.e. a stable and functioning environment that would provide personal and food security to the people living adjacent to Kenya's borders.

The Ethiopian military is not superior to our own. On paper maybe. Their armed forces and arsenal are larger than ours but power without control is nothing (ask Nike). In the past 2 decades, Ethiopia has received several severe beatings by the vastly "inferior" Eritrea - we're talking about entire armoured brigades being wiped out in 2 days of battle. Much of their equipment is unserviceable; the troops are undisciplined; the quality of their officers is doubtful (political appointments). Like Russia, they depend on the steamroller effect - send in maximum troops and armour, crush everything in the way. But you can't do that to a non-conventional militia. This is not the KDF strategy with AS. In addition, there is an historical hatred and enmity between Somalis and Ethiopians (Amharis). On the other hand, KDF troops are being welcomed as heroes in the territories they have "liberated." Very intentionally, many of our troops in Somalia are Somalis.
The Kenya Army numbers approx. 60,000 troops, yet they have only sent in 2,000 troops, eventually 4,000. It might sound daft but it isn't because it's not about the numbers. It's about the planning and execution. Quality over quantity. Expect some much needed relief supplies in Somali villages and towns any time soon. Winning hearts and minds is part of the game. It is erroneous to compare the Kenyan adventure to the Ethiopian one. Practically nothing is the same.
As for the US (of "Black Hawk Down" fame), they were never beaten in Somalia. 16 US soldiers died on that day (compared to 1,000-1,500 of Aideed's militia. That's a ratio of 1:100). The US administration had nothing to gain a public opinion to lose. So they left.
The element of surprise in Somalia is over and the pace has slowed down. However, the advantage is significantly on our side. Al Shabaab is not mud-proof, it is also bogging down their reinforcements to Afmadow, sitting ducks for KAF. So far - luckily - our casualties have been minimal. The "shock and awe" tactics of the first week have left hundreds of AS dead. Military doctrine teaches that you don't have to wipe out 100% of the enemy; 50% will do, the rest will throw down their weapons and flee. Consider that very many of the AS have been recruited forcefully. Only very few are die-hard religious fanatics.
Your fear of Al Shabaab is overrated. And it is based on an ignorance of the facts.

KDF wants to take Kismayo...thats the feeding pipe for Shabab.

Hope Kismayo will not turnout to be our Stalingrad

digalo wrote:KDF wants to take Kismayo...thats the feeding pipe for Shabab.

Your narrative sounds good on internet but on reality it fails to make sense & logic.

1) If KDF and GK have been planning all this--why didn't they deal with Al shabab elements around Nairobi? Why not clear the home front first? Why not seal supply lines (KDF) month before..and let police deal with al Shabab inside kenya?

2) This buffer idea is complete nonsense. We already have one star (NEP/NFD) of somali inside kenya. Assuming you have never gone there; I can tell you for free it neither stable, prosperous nor can it withstand one failed season of rain; if long rains fail; our kenyan somalis cannot feed themselves.

3) To further illustrate how stupid this buffer idea is---when you move the border with Al shabab to Kismayu/Azania borders---will that border be sealed? Will it not be same porous border? You're just basically adding maybe 200Km more for Al shabab to cross! Which seem to be nothing if Al Shabab can transport missile from Mandera to Wajir to Meru to Nairobi...a distance of 1,000 plus KM without you beloved police force stopping them.

4) There is misconception that Somaliland (don't know much about Puntland) is a creation of little Ethiopia. It isn't. Somali clans with north, south, west and east of that country will form their own fiefdooms or they fight. Azania is dead in water as long as it not one major clan region. Other somalis aren't going to allow Ogaden to lord over them.

5) On Ethiopia and Eritrea/US...No need to argue..Ethiopia military is far more superior than ours. They were in Mogadishu in 1 week..and your KDF are stuck in mud next to Liboi. Eritrea can kick ass..because it worst than Isreal...everybody and the economy is military. The whole place is huge army.

Finally Kenya cannot dream of creating puppet states. Let it feed it people first. It laughable that people can entertain such ideas. The horn of Africa remain the playground of Ethiopia and Egypt. Each with nearly 80M people.

Egypt for once will not allow peaceful horn of Africa esp Ethiopia. As long as Egypt relies on Nile rive and Ethiopia control 85% of Nile waters; Egypt will not allow peace in the horn of Africa.

WilsonWongg wrote:Like you said not so long ago, this is not a Hollywood movie. There are no Rambos here. No one said victory would be easy or happen within a week.
There is a purpose to this action and it has been deemed for the greater good of Kenya. It has been months in the planning. It is not a knee-jerk reaction to the kidnappings, which merely served to garner international sympathy for Kenya.
Defence of our borders is the mandate of the KDF. Security within our borders is the mandate of the Kenya Police Service. Both are the responsibility of the government. Security services are in top gear, working to battle the AS on the local front, in our towns and cities. Sadly, there have been two bombings, fortunately with minimal casualties. You can't make and omelette without breaking an egg.
Military victory is the not the total annihilation of AS. Although that would be desirable, it is practically impossible. The best-case-scenario for Kenya would be to see a stable, functioning Somalia in which the youth would have the opportunity for gainful employment rather than waiting idly for AS recruiters, and farmers would be able to harvest and store their crops instead of running off to Dadaab whenever rains were late. However, with de facto states such as Somaliland and Puntland steaming ahead and rag-tag militia running amok in the rest of the country, that is not a realistic option. The second-best-case-scenario for Kenya then is to facilitate the establishment of a stable Azania, modelled on Somaliland/Puntland, with the same objectives as above, i.e. a stable and functioning environment that would provide personal and food security to the people living adjacent to Kenya's borders.

The Ethiopian military is not superior to our own. On paper maybe. Their armed forces and arsenal are larger than ours but power without control is nothing (ask Nike). In the past 2 decades, Ethiopia has received several severe beatings by the vastly "inferior" Eritrea - we're talking about entire armoured brigades being wiped out in 2 days of battle. Much of their equipment is unserviceable; the troops are undisciplined; the quality of their officers is doubtful (political appointments). Like Russia, they depend on the steamroller effect - send in maximum troops and armour, crush everything in the way. But you can't do that to a non-conventional militia. This is not the KDF strategy with AS. In addition, there is an historical hatred and enmity between Somalis and Ethiopians (Amharis). On the other hand, KDF troops are being welcomed as heroes in the territories they have "liberated." Very intentionally, many of our troops in Somalia are Somalis.
The Kenya Army numbers approx. 60,000 troops, yet they have only sent in 2,000 troops, eventually 4,000. It might sound daft but it isn't because it's not about the numbers. It's about the planning and execution. Quality over quantity. Expect some much needed relief supplies in Somali villages and towns any time soon. Winning hearts and minds is part of the game. It is erroneous to compare the Kenyan adventure to the Ethiopian one. Practically nothing is the same.
As for the US (of "Black Hawk Down" fame), they were never beaten in Somalia. 16 US soldiers died on that day (compared to 1,000-1,500 of Aideed's militia. That's a ratio of 1:100). The US administration had nothing to gain a public opinion to lose. So they left.
The element of surprise in Somalia is over and the pace has slowed down. However, the advantage is significantly on our side. Al Shabaab is not mud-proof, it is also bogging down their reinforcements to Afmadow, sitting ducks for KAF. So far - luckily - our casualties have been minimal. The "shock and awe" tactics of the first week have left hundreds of AS dead. Military doctrine teaches that you don't have to wipe out 100% of the enemy; 50% will do, the rest will throw down their weapons and flee. Consider that very many of the AS have been recruited forcefully. Only very few are die-hard religious fanatics.
Your fear of Al Shabaab is overrated. And it is based on an ignorance of the facts.

This ignorance thing is getting tiring so I'll be very brief:

RV Pundit wrote:Your narrative sounds good on internet but on reality it fails to make sense & logic.

1) If KDF and GK have been planning all this--why didn't they deal with Al shabab elements around Nairobi? Why not clear the home front first? Why not seal supply lines (KDF) month before..and let police deal with al Shabab inside kenya?

Because that would have given the game away and lost the element of surprise - crucial to any military operation.

RV Pundit wrote:2) This buffer idea is complete nonsense. We already have one star (NEP/NFD) of somali inside kenya. Assuming you have never gone there; I can tell you for free it neither stable, prosperous nor can it withstand one failed season of rain; if long rains fail; our kenyan somalis cannot feed themselves.

You are stuck in the past. Just because it is not developed today does not mean it will not be so tomorrow. What was Nairobi 100 years ago. Or even 50. Yes, it is the least developed of the regions in Kenya. It also stands to gain most from the Lapsset project, which is crucial to Kenya's economy and the 2030 development goals. It is the next big challenge of this country called Kenya.

RV Pundit wrote:3) To further illustrate how stupid this buffer idea is---when you move the border with Al shabab to Kismayu/Azania borders---will that border be sealed? Will it not be same porous border? You're just basically adding maybe 200Km more for Al shabab to cross! Which seem to be nothing if Al Shabab can transport missile from Mandera to Wajir to Meru to Nairobi...a distance of 1,000 plus KM without you beloved police force stopping them.

The whole point - again - is to create a stable entity within Somalia (the Republic of Somalia, Azania, whatever!) that will eventually render the whole issue of porous borders irrelevant. The only way to do that is to empower the Somali people - not their warlords - and help them create a peaceful, stable Somalia. That will serve to increase the security of our own country. If you can't understand that, I can't help you.

RV Pundit wrote:4) There is misconception that Somaliland (don't know much about Puntland) is a creation of little Ethiopia. It isn't. Somali clans with north, south, west and east of that country will form their own fiefdooms or they fight. Azania is dead in water as long as it not one major clan region. Other somalis aren't going to allow Ogaden to lord over them

Azania is not meant to lord over Somalia, Somaliland or Puntland but over Azania.

RV Pundit wrote:5) On Ethiopia and Eritrea/US...No need to argue..Ethiopia military is far more superior than ours. They were in Mogadishu in 1 week..and your KDF are stuck in mud next to Liboi. Eritrea can kick ass..because it worst than Isreal...everybody and the economy is military. The whole place is huge army.

Please substantiate your claims of Ethiopian military superiority, or is it "just known." No one in Somalia is equipped to stop an advancing column of tanks. KDF can also sent its 110 T-72 tanks to Mogadishu and get there in less than a week. And then what? That is not the KDF objective in Somalia.

RV Pundit wrote:Finally Kenya cannot dream of creating puppet states. Let it feed it people first. It laughable that people can entertain such ideas. The horn of Africa remain the playground of Ethiopia and Egypt. Each with nearly 80M people.
Egypt for once will not allow peaceful horn of Africa esp Ethiopia. As long as Egypt relies on Nile rive and Ethiopia control 85% of Nile waters; Egypt will not allow peace in the horn of Africa.

Kenya is so far beyond your understanding but to venture into those waters will only confuse you. Ultimately, this whole thing IS about feeding people. Would you deny that India has a space programme or armament industry because there are beggars in the streets of Bombay?
You cannot even begin to imagine how out of the picture Egypt is. Beyond trying to exert its diplomatic influence, what can it do? Send its army 3000 miles across Sudan to teach Kenya or Ethiopia a lesson? Are you serious? Or perhaps they developed some new ICBMs I'm not aware of. Unless they play ball i.e. join the Nile Treaty, the Nile is lost to Egypt and Sudan. And there is NOTHING they can do about it. NOTHING.

Might I take this opportunity to strongly recommend once again that you take up some Geopolitics 101. Mavoko is not the best place to get an in-depth understanding of East and Central Africa. Or even of Kenya.

v. cool debate! love it.

You sound like Makau Mutua. The kind of kenya you're describing is certainly NOT the one i'm in. Last few weeks...you were supporting ICC and international community to help kenya...now Kenya is so sophisticated...it is creating another country in Somalia. The same kenya that is unable to deal with Isiolo skirmishes which has taken in 17 people last week..more than Al shabab has ever taken. Let forget PEV. Let forget hunger is permanent feature in Northern Kenya...Emergency feeding has been going on since british left...Non-stop in 2/3 territory of kenya.

I doubt you have been to 2/3 of kenya that is known as North Kenyan. Not that 1/3 of kenya is any better. This Azania nonsense is complete utter nonsense.

As for Geopolitics...if you think Ethiopia is inferior to kenya military..then clearly you're beyond help. Ethiopia and Eritrea economy maybe be grab...but those are military states. You can't compare Kenya and Ethiopia military..or in any other parameter except economy (though ethiopia have overtaken kenya recently).

And since you learnt about GeoPolitics recently (must be with azania nonsense); I can tell you for free that EGYPT since the time of Pharaohs have taken seriously NILE; this is not something that began recently; Without NIle; there is no Egypt. That is why Egypt colonilised Sudan. That is why Egypt sponsored Eritreans and support them. That is why Egypt support Ogaden and via Eritrea--the Al Shababs. And that is why Ethiopia have never known peace..and Egypt main priority is to make sure Ethiopia never have peace. That is why we have Nile treaty.

As for kenya and rest of east africa---it no big deal for egypt----Nile from your lake victoria is drop in the sea (less than 15%)--while Lake Tana in Ethiopia account for 80-85% of Nile waters.

That fool is geo-politics; not bullshiet you learn from Lazy bums in our armed forces; wakina Ole Nkerai. 1 week later and they are stuck in mud --with all all-weather arsenal; Soo much for SUPRISE Now Al SHabab have had 2 weeks to recruit and force every somali teenage to battle front. By now Al shabab have moved from 10K troops to well over 50K; waiting for 2,000 infantry literally stuck in mud.

I suspect majority of our lazy bum have learnt too many theories from Egerton (thanks to Tonje degree requirement) and like Uganda and Ethiopia said..they aren't upto the task.

WilsonWongg wrote:Kenya is so far beyond your understanding but to venture into those waters will only confuse you. Ultimately, this whole thing IS about feeding people. Would you deny that India has a space programme or armament industry because there are beggars in the streets of Bombay?
You cannot even begin to imagine how out of the picture Egypt is. Beyond trying to exert its diplomatic influence, what can it do? Send its army 3000 miles across Sudan to teach Kenya or Ethiopia a lesson? Are you serious? Or perhaps they developed some new ICBMs I'm not aware of. Unless they play ball i.e. join the Nile Treaty, the Nile is lost to Egypt and Sudan. And there is NOTHING they can do about it. NOTHING.

Might I take this opportunity to strongly recommend once again that you take up some Geopolitics 101. Mavoko is not the best place to get an in-depth understanding of East and Central Africa. Or even of Kenya.