Nairobi Is the Place to Be

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Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by Sixty Four » Mon Jun 10, 2013 2:59 am

When you read this:
http://www.techcentral.co.za/sa-losing- ... ace/40955/
and you read this
http://www.businessdailyafrica.com/Nair ... index.html

You sincerely feel Kenya is finally getting it right.

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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:09 am

If only kidero can make this good city a great city it deserve to be.
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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by Sixty Four » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:16 am

RV Pundit wrote:If only kidero can make this good city a great city it deserve to be.
Nairobi will grow in spite of Kidero and co. The City just got a new life. When they introduced the Metropolitan idea, they infused the City with new ideas and a new momentum. Now we have Kaboko, Mutua and even the Kajiado man building Nairobi. From current trends, it appears in the next 5-10 years, we will see more growth in the Metro area than in the Core City Kidero area. There is no stopping Nairobi.

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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 3:23 am

Isn't the 250B being devolved essentially money that would be domiliced in Nairobi. I see Nairobi growing but i think rest of cities and town will grow..at higher rate...Eldoret and Nakuru have been growing at 10-12% for many yrs...we might see small 47 counties HQ growing.
Sixty Four wrote: Nairobi will grow in spite of Kidero and co. The City just got a new life. When they introduced the Metropolitan idea, they infused the City with new ideas and a new momentum. Now we have Kaboko, Mutua and even the Kajiado man building Nairobi. From current trends, it appears in the next 5-10 years, we will see more growth in the Metro area than in the Core City Kidero area. There is no stopping Nairobi.
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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by Sixty Four » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:07 am

RV Pundit wrote:Isn't the 250B being devolved essentially money that would be domiliced in Nairobi. I see Nairobi growing but i think rest of cities and town will grow..at higher rate...Eldoret and Nakuru have been growing at 10-12% for many yrs...we might see small 47 counties HQ growing.
Nairobi will grow at a decent pace. The other county HQ's will also grow. There will soon emerge inevitably regional engines of growth across the land. These will be towns such as the Metro area, Mombasa, Lamu if they pump in the money they propose, Isiolo in spite of protests from nanyuki and meru, nakuru and Eldoret. If Oil gets off the ground then watch Lodwar or Lokichar. Expect these towns to hit annual growths of 10%. the others including H/bay Iten and Bomet will sweat it out for a while.

Talking about growths, I sincerely think Kenya is taking off. It is time to get in the bus.

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Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 5:12 am

Well until we have some drought. Anyway i think towns like Kericho,Kapsabet,Bomet,Nyeri, etc and such won't grow without land. The towns which will grow will be Mombasa,Kisumu,Eldoret,Nakuru,Nairobi,Isiolo,Garissa and such sorrounded by huge swatche of land....the towns on agricultural potential areas...will not grow much..those on dry arid areas will grow.On the same coin...areas in high agri' place..will see more rural growth....while their towns will be depressed.

So you can say we will see less urbanization in high potential areas...
Sixty Four wrote: Nairobi will grow at a decent pace. The other county HQ's will also grow. There will soon emerge inevitably regional engines of growth across the land. These will be towns such as the Metro area, Mombasa, Lamu if they pump in the money they propose, Isiolo in spite of protests from nanyuki and meru, nakuru and Eldoret. If Oil gets off the ground then watch Lodwar or Lokichar. Expect these towns to hit annual growths of 10%. the others including H/bay Iten and Bomet will sweat it out for a while.

Talking about growths, I sincerely think Kenya is taking off. It is time to get in the bus.
The only hope for kenya is devolution

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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by Sixty Four » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:15 am

Nakuru and Kisumu are having a problem.
Nakuru has a game reserve on one side, a Lake on another and a crater on another. It is being forced to expand in a linear pattern which is very constraining. I see Naivasha and Gilgil stealing the thunder. Kisumu too has a lake and a very treacherous hill on the other. These features would be good if the airport and the marshy lake surrounds permitted serious developments. They are tricky for the expansion of the towns. An ideal town is like Isiolo and Eldoret which have huge expansive spaces around the towns.

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Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 6:22 am

You know your way round towns. Indeed. Nakuru seem now restricted toward Ngata/Kabarak.Kisumu been there ONCE in 1997!. Eldoret has everything going for it..including Oil in turkana and rise of South Sudan. Nairobi will grow and grow towards Kiambu,Muranga,Machakos and Kajiado.Mombasa too has huge potential...so do all Coastal towns..from Lamu to Malindi to Kilifi. Isiolo..never been there. Been to Garissa..and if they sort out Alshabab..it can grow. As for rest of kenya towns...mmm...they won't go far.
Sixty Four wrote:Nakuru and Kisumu are having a problem.
Nakuru has a game reserve on one side, a Lake on another and a crater on another. It is being forced to expand in a linear pattern which is very constraining. I see Naivasha and Gilgil stealing the thunder. Kisumu too has a lake and a very treacherous hill on the other. These features would be good if the airport and the marshy lake surrounds permitted serious developments. They are tricky for the expansion of the towns. An ideal town is like Isiolo and Eldoret which have huge expansive spaces around the towns.
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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by mwalimu » Mon Jun 10, 2013 7:01 am

GROWTH will depend on city and town plans.

If these town have solid plans. Investor will come.

Otherwise Juakali growth is not good.

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Unread post by MatiaKing » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:02 am

And for once we are talking GROWTH!!! That's my kinda language! As the smatchoka would say, Vaaandastic!
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Unread post by PuaKal » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:14 am

Nairobi can't sustain its high and ever increasing cost of living. Once other cities sort themselves out, the Capital will be too unattractive for most businesses. The city to watch is Machakos - the East-West-North-South connector. With massive undeveloped land and a strategic location, Masaku will be rolling; assuming Dr Mutua's many noises bear fruit.
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Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:19 am

That is misconception. Nairobi like NY or London has everything for everyone. Obviously some people insist on owning property in some of priciest addresses of Nairobi where global companies and their staff rent and they ripped of. Nairobi has everything..from 200 worth of rental space per month in your place in Kayole...Sowetto....to a hse that rent out for 0.5M in Runda. Nairobi will swallow Machakos. It already swallowed Thika,Kiambu,Ngong,Kitengela,Mavoko,Kajiado,Isinya..and will go all the way to Limuru...kenol Muranga...and even as far down as Naivasha/MaiMaui.

Nairobi is a beheemoth. It is 20-30Kms from Machakos...with Konza City...it will swallow Machakos town.
PuaKal wrote:Nairobi can't sustain its high and ever increasing cost of living. Once other cities sort themselves out, the Capital will be too unattractive for most businesses. The city to watch is Machakos - the East-West-North-South connector. With massive undeveloped land and a strategic location, Masaku will be rolling; assuming Dr Mutua's many noises bear fruit.
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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by PuaKal » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:29 am

Masaku - Nairobi = 67 Km. Mavoko sio Masaku.

NYC and London grew rich as their general economies attained greater affluence. At its current level of income, there is no plausible explanation for Nairobi's ridiculously high cost of living - higher than most of the richest, most sophisticated global capitals. It is unsustainable. By location theory, people and businesses will gradually flee, looking for cheaper more competitive locations.
RV Pundit wrote:That is misconception. Nairobi like NY or London has everything for everyone. Obviously so people instead on owning property in some of priciest place of Nairobi where global companies and their staff rent and they ripped of. Nairobi has everything..from 200 worth of rental space per month in your place in Kayole...Sowetto....to a hse that rent out for 0.5M in Runda. Nairobi will swallow Machakos. It already swallowed Thika,Kiambu,Ngong,Kitengela,Mavoko,Kajiado,Isinya..and will go all the way to Limuru...kenol Muranga...and even as far down as Naivasha/MaiMaui.

Nairobi is a beheemoth. It is 20-30Kms from Machakos...with Konza City...it will swallow Machakos town.
PuaKal wrote:Nairobi can't sustain its high and ever increasing cost of living. Once other cities sort themselves out, the Capital will be too unattractive for most businesses. The city to watch is Machakos - the East-West-North-South connector. With massive undeveloped land and a strategic location, Masaku will be rolling; assuming Dr Mutua's many noises bear fruit.
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Unread post by RV Pundit » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:34 am

Nairobi-masaku is actually 100Kms...Nairobi right now is past Machakos turn off...you can call it Machakos...but like Thika...Nairobi would have swallowed those towns. Nairobi is only pricey in some address. That point to maturity. 40-50kms outside Nairobi...you can get an acre for 100K..if you stay away from main road..that is cheaper than anywhere.....NY and London metropolis..are like 50Miles away...Nairobi is barely 40Kms...20miles..it has huge capacity. if a company want to buy land to expand..go to Mavoko..and get Mutula like ranch hapo maanzoni..for cheap.

Nairobi is mbig...and unlike some town..is sorrounded by huge empty land esp in Machakos and Kajiado...and Thika...Ruiru.
PuaKal wrote:Masaku - Nairobi = 67 Km. Mavoko sio Masaku.

NYC and London grew rich as their general economies attained greater affluence. At its current level of income, there is no plausible explanation for Nairobi's ridiculously high cost of living - higher than most of the richest, most sophisticated global capitals. It is unsustainable. By location theory, people and businesses will gradually flee, looking for cheaper more competitive locations
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Re: Nairobi Is the Place to Be

Unread post by PuaKal » Mon Jun 10, 2013 8:46 am

Cost of living is more than just housing and land prices. What about the cost of transportation, ever-dwindling food supplies, education, water and sanitation, etc. You do notice that all the areas you mention as Nairobi's catchment suffer some of the most severe water stresses in Kenya? Most of the groundwater aquifers have run dry. Where will the water come from?
RV Pundit wrote:Nairobi-masaku is actually 100Kms...Nairobi right now is past Machakos turn off...you can call it Machakos...but like Thika...Nairobi would have swallowed those towns. Nairobi is only pricey in some address. That point to maturity. 40-50kms outside Nairobi...you can get an acre for 100K..if you stay away from main road..that is cheaper than anywhere.....NY and London metropolis..are like 50Miles away...Nairobi is barely 40Kms...20miles..it has huge capacity. if a company want to buy land to expand..go to Mavoko..and get Mutula like ranch hapo maanzoni..for cheap.

Nairobi is mbig...and unlike some town..is sorrounded by huge empty land esp in Machakos and Kajiado...and Thika...Ruiru.
PuaKal wrote:Masaku - Nairobi = 67 Km. Mavoko sio Masaku.

NYC and London grew rich as their general economies attained greater affluence. At its current level of income, there is no plausible explanation for Nairobi's ridiculously high cost of living - higher than most of the richest, most sophisticated global capitals. It is unsustainable. By location theory, people and businesses will gradually flee, looking for cheaper more competitive locations
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