Otuoma and Okemo have defected to Jubilee..to campaign for Uhuru..

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Re: Otuoma and Okemo have defected to Jubilee..to campaign for Uhuru..

Unread post by mgeni » Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am

The Supreme Court went for quality vis-a-vis quantity.
I have pored over the logs of IEBC server. To me it appears that IEBC set up remote FTP access to their working office LAN directories and not to the vote tallying server.
An organization does have an internal working directories for their staff, especially ICT staff who are spread among 40000 polling stations across the country. The ICT staff need access to Legal ICT software owned and licenced to IEBC.
FTP is the fastest way to access and download files.
A certain user downloaded Win 7 ISO image but the report I saw mentioned that the user had rights to install software on the devices and did not use a static IP address which is impossible if you have multiple vendors and 40k plus devices.
A forensic audit would require the auditor to be next to the physical server, create a low level image of the server on a different server, leave the original intact, then conduct the audit.
Was this done by the Forensics team.?

A bigger question is, did the FTP server logs come from the actual tallying server ?

And for a crucial service like KE election would IEBC use an open source server Filezilla which is free to collect results and have them accessed by a billion plus Oracle Server?

Did Maraga question the fake Win 7 logs Raila provided from a Win 2008 SQL database to 'prove '.rigging prior to filing the petition. They announced that, was debunked and they did not use it in the Supreme Court. Why didn't they?

Why is IEBC not debunking the filezilla ftp logs.

Maranga in 21 days should provide solid evidence of how the process of election was tainted to nullify the whole and not debunking the actual vote numbers.

Uhuruto saying that 4people should not overturn 15m votes is resonating very well his fired up base.

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Re: Otuoma and Okemo have defected to Jubilee..to campaign for Uhuru..

Unread post by obienga » Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:59 am

mgeni wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am
The Supreme Court went for quality vis-a-vis quantity.
I have pored over the logs of IEBC server. To me it appears that IEBC set up remote FTP access to their working office LAN directories and not to the vote tallying server.
It is important to note that this was a document "FileZilla Server (FTP server) - Report" produced by NASA and not the court appointed experts.
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An organization does have an internal working directories for their staff, especially ICT staff who are spread among 40000 polling stations across the country. The ICT staff need access to Legal ICT software owned and licenced to IEBC.
FTP is the fastest way to access and download files.
A certain user downloaded Win 7 ISO image but the report I saw mentioned that the user had rights to install software on the devices and did not use a static IP address which is impossible if you have multiple vendors and 40k plus devices.
A forensic audit would require the auditor to be next to the physical server, create a low level image of the server on a different server, leave the original intact, then conduct the audit.
Was this done by the Forensics team.?
No low level image was created. Live access was provided! Shouldn't the download of the ISO image be the first red flag that this was not the results server (note this is the NASA version of the report).

Elsewhere I noted that the SCOK was not properly addressed by ICT experts before making their decisions on the exercise but by lawyers, to which one of the judges later noted some explanations needed someone from the "dot com" generation. The best outcome would have been to invite a professional IT audit firm to undertake the exercise. The IT audit firm would have been a neutral party, with certified IT auditors (yes, there is a profession with strict standards set out on this).

Do you recall the ICT amicus applications being rejected by the court in a case that revolved around technology, the ICT Association of Kenya and Kanjama? The orders given by the court involved the provision of highly sensitive information that will be a hackers goldmine. IT Auditors are able to provide findings without compromising any of the parties involved. It will not be a surprise if the IEBC infrastructure is hacked if not already hacked, based on the information that has now leaked out. For example, NASA has all 341 user names, they have the password scheme, IP addresses, server names, database names, device details which can be spoofed to fake a device transmitting, login sequences and security challenges. It would be foolish for IEBC to go to a new election with such a security breach having already occurred. NASA also had an alleged co-opted IEBC official on record (audio) claiming to provide the password to the KIEMS kits before the petition.
mgeni wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am
A bigger question is, did the FTP server logs come from the actual tallying server ?

And for a crucial service like KE election would IEBC use an open source server Filezilla which is free to collect results and have them accessed by a billion plus Oracle Server?

Did Maraga question the fake Win 7 logs Raila provided from a Win 2008 SQL database to 'prove '.rigging prior to filing the petition. They announced that, was debunked and they did not use it in the Supreme Court. Why didn't they?

Why is IEBC not debunking the filezilla ftp logs.
Very unlikely, listen to Msando noting the delineation of the different systems within IEBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE__1nVJ7P4

The Filezilla FTP logs are associated with the NASA documents that were rejected. The greater question is why didn't the Court's own experts have this in their report? At the same time, the fact that NASA had previously forged 50 pages of logs should show to anyone watching that NASA was in court with "unclean hands". It is not unusual for organisations to have an external facing FTP server for the exchange of data or information with vendors and third parties. Remember that the said document was dropped on Ngatia's lap just before Orengo spoke, it was intended to be an unprofessional ambush and was rejected for going around the rules and if it were admitted then IEBC and the 3rd respondent should have been given an opportunity to also submit on it. Orengo clearly had planned not to have anyone else submit on the same. The Court appointed experts were not brought before the court to be cross examined.

Orengo had already been caught in court red handed for having submitted purported results for Siaya county (his own county) which had claimed votes far exceeding the number of registered voters. The way the court had planned submissions, was for each party to have 10 minutes. There was just no way this could have been litigated properly and fairly.
mgeni wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am
Maranga in 21 days should provide solid evidence of how the process of election was tainted to nullify the whole and not debunking the actual vote numbers.
This has become imperative but how is IEBC supposed to begin planning the election in compliance without the judgment? After 21 days leaves IEBC with only 39 days to run the election and adopt any changes, keep in mind their infrastructure is highly compromised .. see here: https://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016 ... n-election The court is courting a catastrophe if they use the full 21 days to issue the judgment. The DPP should move with speed to prosecute the IEBC officials in Siaya and Kwale and any other county where monkey business took place around any forms.

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Unread post by mgeni » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:55 am

The report was presented at 5pm
IEBC had no time for rebuttal. They should have released one by now but maybe they are waiting for 21 days after the court release of findings.
I'll add more details tomorrow Obienga

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Unread post by FARAJA » Sun Sep 03, 2017 1:28 pm

If Martha Karua start campaigning for Raila, I won't dismiss her. She got about 40,000 votes. Even if she peels off 10,000 votes for Raila, that's still something.

So, stop dismissing Otuoma who had I believe nearly 100,000 votes.
If it's true Otuoma will be campaigning for Jubilee, that brings two or three former ODM heavyweights in Western who have converted: Otuoma, Kusaka, Ababu.

I wonder if Khalwale would campaign for Raila. He was alleged to have said this is the last time they're supporting Raila during the recently concluded elections.
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While I doubt their value to Jubilee,I don't doubt they will bring something,and NASA would have rejoiced had they joined their ranks.
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Unread post by FARAJA » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:37 pm

Patrick Ntutu(CCM) and former ODM governor of Narok and Joseph Tiampati (ODM) Narok Govenor aspirant both announced they'll campaign for Jubilee.

I'm waiting to see if Khalwale will campaign for NASA. It's possible. Oparanya can give him a soft landing and keep him in NASA's corner. If Jubilee has a bigger carrot, oh well.

What about Kitui? Will Ngilu take sides or remain neutral?

I'm giving Uhuru an edge because he has both carrot and stick. Raila does not have a carrot. He has a pie in the sky.
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Unread post by Itina » Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:42 pm

The people is what matters not political rejects.

Did you see Maasaia chasing Uhuru fro narok today.
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Sun Sep 03, 2017 3:37 pm
Patrick Ntutu(CCM) and former ODM governor of Narok and Joseph Tiampati (ODM) Narok Govenor aspirant both announced they'll campaign for Jubilee.

I'm waiting to see if Khalwale will campaign for NASA. It's possible. Oparanya can give him a soft landing and keep him in NASA's corner. If Jubilee has a bigger carrot, oh well.

What about Kitui? Will Ngilu take sides or remain neutral?

I'm giving Uhuru an edge because he has both carrot and stick. Raila does not have a carrot. He has a pie in the sky.

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Unread post by NattyDread » Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:20 pm

obienga wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:59 am
mgeni wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am
Remember that the said document was dropped on Ngatia's lap just before Orengo spoke, it was intended to be an unprofessional ambush and was rejected for going around the rules and if it were admitted then IEBC and the 3rd respondent should have been given an opportunity to also submit on it. Orengo clearly had planned not to have anyone else submit on the same. The Court appointed experts were not brought before the court to be cross examined.


obienga, mgeni,

In retrospect, that incident marks the moment where a deeply compromised Maraga and the sly Orengo acted out a phony scene to give the impression that the judge was independent and authoritative. But ask yourself: would he have stopped Orengo without Muite and Ngatia's protests, and did the technology-challenged court actually understand what they ruled about?
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Unread post by vooke » Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:10 pm

Illegalities and irregularities on inter alia transmission.

Quite possible the ICT audit ranked least in the reasons for their decision.

The court ICT expert, a whole professor of computer science observed IEBC refused to comply with some orders WITHOUT GOOD REASON. That contempt may have done them in.

A custodian of evidence who is also in control of evidence can only withhold it if it is incriminating
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Unread post by obienga » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:19 am

NattyDread wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 8:20 pm
obienga wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 6:59 am
mgeni wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 5:52 am
Remember that the said document was dropped on Ngatia's lap just before Orengo spoke, it was intended to be an unprofessional ambush and was rejected for going around the rules and if it were admitted then IEBC and the 3rd respondent should have been given an opportunity to also submit on it. Orengo clearly had planned not to have anyone else submit on the same. The Court appointed experts were not brought before the court to be cross examined.

obienga, mgeni,

In retrospect, that incident marks the moment where a deeply compromised Maraga and the sly Orengo acted out a phony scene to give the impression that the judge was independent and authoritative. But ask yourself: would he have stopped Orengo without Muite and Ngatia's protests, and did the technology-challenged court actually understand what they ruled about?
NattyDread,

He was never was going to reject it for he allowed Orengo to keep speaking yet it he was he who issued the order on how things were to be handled. The document had been sneaked into the court and entered into the record in the possession of the court clerk, buried among other documents and had to be fished out to be returned. The court was dabbling in areas it likely did not understand and its ruling is likely to gloss over numerous issues.

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Unread post by mgeni » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:28 am

vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 03, 2017 10:10 pm
Illegalities and irregularities on inter alia transmission.

Quite possible the ICT audit ranked least in the reasons for their decision.

The court ICT expert, a whole professor of computer science observed IEBC refused to comply with some orders WITHOUT GOOD REASON. That contempt may have done them in.

A custodian of evidence who is also in control of evidence can only withhold it if it is incriminating
Vooks The court demanded firewall configuration of IEBC. A sure way to invite hackers as the firewall rules would reveal the externally accessible servers and services. Hackers only need to know what services are available eg remote desktop, web servers, database ports etc to know the easiest way to get into the system.
Never in a million years would any self respecting org give up its firewall configuration.

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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 04, 2017 7:38 am

...And now it appears Isaac Ruto is back to Jubilee. Add Munya, minus Isaac. Ngilu has declared a firm stand on who she'll support. Although she didn't campaing against Jubilee, her NASA backing will have an effect on Kitui votes. Jubilee can expect less votes in Kitui than they got.

However, Bomet NASA votes have evaporated without Isaac backing. Nakuru will overwhelmingly vote Jubilee. Bungoma may go back to NASA. or not.

Northeastern and Upper Eastern will not go back to NASA as they overwhelmingly voted Jubilee, including Gvernors, Senators and MCAs.

Uhuru still wins with over 1.2 million votes. I think he'll reduce by 200K due to the momentum Raila has after winning the Petition.
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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:08 am

So, Atwoli castigated Uhuru for campaigning before he's sober but then reveals that he voted for him and he'll do so again together with his children?
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Unread post by nowayhaha » Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:12 am

FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:08 am
So, Atwoli castigated Uhuru for campaigning before he's sober but then reveals that he voted for him and he'll do so again together with his children?
Atwoli hates Uhuru to the core , Its not an open secret - He derides him and abuses him openly and that is since 2007 for the records

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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:14 am

But he said he voted for Uhuru, and will vote for him again.
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Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:12 am
FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 04, 2017 9:08 am
So, Atwoli castigated Uhuru for campaigning before he's sober but then reveals that he voted for him and he'll do so again together with his children?
Atwoli hates Uhuru to the core , Its not an open secret - He derides him and abuses him openly and that is since 2007 for the records
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Unread post by True RV » Mon Sep 04, 2017 10:24 am

It is USELESSS to defect to Jubilee now. The party has more winning powers than ever seen in our country
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