We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Energizer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:29 pm

What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. You are the one high on cheap crack. 'Inter alia' means 'amongst others'. In this instance, what are those 'others'? Do you know or are you just hiding behind some convenient meaningless terminology as a fig leaf to hide your saggy balls? If you know, please share. If you cannot define 'others' then, and until you get the 'particulars and substance' in the final judgement, you have no leg to stand on and are just flailing about like a beached whale.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:04 pm
No, because voiding an election on the basis that transmission of ALREADY DECLARED results was not just nonsensical, especially considering ALL party agents had concurred with the outcome at constituency level, the legal threshold for presidential results, before transmitting to national tallying centre.
Go slow on weed. Who told you it was invalidated on the basis of transmission? Are you literate? Soma hapa

As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election, the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results, particulars and the substance of which will be given in the detailed and reasoned Judgment of the court. The court however found no evidence of misconduct on the part of the 3rd Respondent.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMM ... XlmN0p5aEU

Irregularities AND illegalities transcend Transmission
That ruling was not just incompetent, reckless and stupid, it was extremely dangerous. Can you imagine if it was Raila who had won and then the same judges had ruled for a repeat?? Would we be talking here today or would parts of the country be burning, maybe even the whole country?? This is the context in which this should be viewed by those like you who seem to naively think this is just a purely legal matter. It is not, it is 150% political, and it is to Jubilee supporters credit, maturity, great patience and patriotism that the country did not explode.
You are speculating. Besides,Baba and his supporters' reaction is irrelevant to the sanctity and wisdom of SCOK. Since when did we start gauging judgements by reactions they elicit?
The correct decision would have been for the judges to order a recount of VALID votes, full stop! The circus we now have would have been avoided. For putting the stability of this country in great danger in an effort to appease Raila and to 'redeem themselves', these 4 cowardly fools should be hanged, or at the very least removed from their jobs.
Baba demonstrated irregularities and illegalities and all the respondents lawyers trivialized them instead of challenging them in calling for a recount. It is not Judges' job to cook remedies nobody sought.

I am happy that Uhuru repeated today at SH as he met Kamba leaders that he is not letting this treasonous matter go and will revisit it soon after the election. It's great to see Uhuru STILL pissed off this long....that's the spirit.
Uhuru is understandably mad but he should go for IEBC that conducted a sham election. But alas,he is not. He is barking at the wrong tree probably because he has benefitted or he sought to benefit from IEBC blunders
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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm

Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration

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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by obienga » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:07 pm

Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies.
It is the utterances of Jakuonists who preach anarchy and violence that have a negative effect, its undisputed as to who the merchant of violence in Kenya.
AUGUST 14, 2017 / 9:58 AM
Kenya's stock market hits 14-month high after Kenyatta victory
Kenya’s main stock index rose 2.51 percent on Monday to a 14-month high, building on gains last week as investors welcomed the re-election of President Uhuru Kenyatta.

The NSE-20 index has risen nearly 7 percent since the election last Tuesday. Kenyatta was declared winner by a clear margin on Friday but his main challenger, Raila Odinga, has not yet conceded. http://af.reuters.com/article/africaTec ... U1KF-OZABS
SEPTEMBER 1, 2017
Kenya stock exchange halts trading briefly after fall on court ruling
Kenya’s stock exchange halted trading briefly midway through Friday’s session after blue chip shares plummeted following the Supreme Court’s decision to annul the result of the Aug. 8 presidential election. https://reut.rs/2vPDOwk

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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:29 pm

Obienga, Raila existed before and after the petition. What changed as far as what markets might consider unstable is a court ruling that was met with unjustified remarks by Uhuru and Ruto. By making questionable remarks towards the Judges and creating uncertainty, the markets reacted. Had there been one voice of congratulating Raila for having made a remarkable compromise by taking his case to court, I doubt we would have seen a negative response. Markets don't react well to uncertainties. Everything was blown out of proportion
obienga wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:07 pm
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies.
It is the utterances of Jakuonists who preach anarchy and violence that have a negative effect, its undisputed as to who the merchant of violence in Kenya.
AUGUST 14, 2017 / 9:58 AM
Kenya's stock market hits 14-month high after Kenyatta victory
Kenya’s main stock index rose 2.51 percent on Monday to a 14-month high, building on gains last week as investors welcomed the re-election of President Uhuru Kenyatta.

The NSE-20 index has risen nearly 7 percent since the election last Tuesday. Kenyatta was declared winner by a clear margin on Friday but his main challenger, Raila Odinga, has not yet conceded. http://af.reuters.com/article/africaTec ... U1KF-OZABS
SEPTEMBER 1, 2017
Kenya stock exchange halts trading briefly after fall on court ruling
Kenya’s stock exchange halted trading briefly midway through Friday’s session after blue chip shares plummeted following the Supreme Court’s decision to annul the result of the Aug. 8 presidential election. https://reut.rs/2vPDOwk

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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Energizer » Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:43 pm

Please, this is waaaayyy beyond Raila and his presidential ambitions. For Jubilee, this IS and has ALWAYS BEEN about the CJ criminally subverting the people's will, and those judges had BETTER HAVE some VERY, VERY CONVINCING reasons as to why they nullified the democratic will.

I am quite amused and astonished that many of you still haven't caught on to the ominous underlying currents within Jubilee where supporters are utterly convinced and still outraged that Maraga & co deliberately subverted the people's will, and the only thing holding them back is the conviction that they can win the re-run.

The fact that unlike Ojwang and Njoki, the 4 failed to present individual summaries giving reasons for their decisions, only fuels speculation that they have something sinister to hide. Many people don't even realise that Ojwang and Njoki will also give their full judgements. What if Ojwang and Njoki are more convincing to Jubilee supporters than the Maraga 4?

This is very serious shit guy, and if the October election is bungled or Raila loses and rejects the results, anything could happen! Do you see the import and ripple effect of what these 4 fools did and how they failed to manage the consequences of what they ruled???
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration
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Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:12 pm

One would hope that Uhuru and Ruto are not of this mindset but you can see the repercussions of openly attacking the judges, now everyone and sundry assumes cover. What you are insinuating is lawlessness, Raila lost the 2013 court battle and accepted the ruling. There is no difference this time, from the proceedings that was witnessed by all, the court upheld it's transparency and credibility. Cool heads prevail, peace should prevail at all times. People should learn to resolve their differences amicably and under the rule of law. Iyo ingine, the rapid realisation that there is rule of law outside Kenya's jurisdiction would be quickly realised. You do remember even yule wa Libya was getting accolades and praise at one point, Kenya has a global audience unlike before. The killing and torture of the ICT young man was reported on NY times in their retraction story. Selling Raila as some monster wont help. I can easily predict that anything the judges say will not be satisfactory to the aggrieved
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:43 pm
Please, this is waaaayyy beyond Raila and his presidential ambitions. For Jubilee, this IS and has ALWAYS BEEN about the CJ criminally subverting the people's will, and those judges had BETTER HAVE some VERY, VERY CONVINCING reasons as to why they nullified the democratic will.

I am quite amused and astonished that many of you still haven't caught on to the ominous underlying currents within Jubilee where supporters are utterly convinced and still outraged that Maraga & co deliberately subverted the people's will, and the only thing holding them back is the conviction that they can win the re-run.

The fact that unlike Ojwang and Njoki, the 4 failed to present individual summaries giving reasons for their decisions, only fuels speculation that they have something sinister to hide. Many people don't even realise that Ojwang and Njoki will also give their full judgements. What if Ojwang and Njoki are more convincing to Jubilee supporters than the Maraga 4?

This is very serious shit guy, and if the October election is bungled or Raila loses and rejects the results, anything could happen! Do you see the import and ripple effect of what these 4 fools did and how they failed to manage the consequences of what they ruled???
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration

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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:54 pm

The Kenyan people are going to reward yet again the guy whose vote was stolen with an even bigger margin.

Kenya knows it by now. Th defections are one way.

If Raila's ties were stolen as he claims, the defections would be going his way. It'll be a humiliating second shellacking.

If Raila and co expected Uhuru to go easy on them after defeat, the hammer will come down. Muthama is cooling his heels in a cell. Mambo bado.
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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm

The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration
There are people who want to engage in ad hominem abuse all day long on online forums, spewing bile in a seemingly unending stream.

These are, in fact, the most uneducated amongst us.

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Unread post by Mheshimiwa » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:23 pm

FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm
The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.
Ojinga will not only lower rent he will abolish the right to own property entirely.

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Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:45 pm

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FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm
The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration
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Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:47 pm

Shame on you Faraja for being the 1st person in this discussion to hurl personal insults.

Speak for yourself because you can't claim to be speaking on behalf of the entire Kenyan business community.

Raila is more pro-business than Uhuru in more ways than one. For instance, he championed the constitution that the business community operates within. Without the rule of law there is no business to talk about. This is what we mean by uncertainty and credibility

RAila promised to pioneer new regulation in the property rental business, more transparency, accountability is a positive. And in the process negotiate affordable rent guidelines for low income people. I suppose that is what you are referring to. smh
FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm
The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration

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Unread post by FARAJA » Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:28 pm

This is not a seminary.
Two, what a lame statement; that Raila championed the new constitution that the business community operates within.

You truly believe Raila is pro business than Uhuru. Wewe umelala kama Jorum.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:47 pm
Shame on you Faraja for being the 1st person in this discussion to hurl personal insults.

Speak for yourself because you can't claim to be speaking on behalf of the entire Kenyan business community.

Raila is more pro-business than Uhuru in more ways than one. For instance, he championed the constitution that the business community operates within. Without the rule of law there is no business to talk about. This is what we mean by uncertainty and credibility

RAila promised to pioneer new regulation in the property rental business, more transparency, accountability is a positive. And in the process negotiate affordable rent guidelines for low income people. I suppose that is what you are referring to. smh
FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm
The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration
There are people who want to engage in ad hominem abuse all day long on online forums, spewing bile in a seemingly unending stream.

These are, in fact, the most uneducated amongst us.

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Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:22 pm

It's not the devils parlour either, you know where to find that
FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 7:28 pm
This is not a seminary.
Two, what a lame statement; that Raila championed the new constitution that the business community operates within.

You truly believe Raila is pro business than Uhuru. Wewe umelala kama Jorum.
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 6:47 pm
Shame on you Faraja for being the 1st person in this discussion to hurl personal insults.

Speak for yourself because you can't claim to be speaking on behalf of the entire Kenyan business community.

Raila is more pro-business than Uhuru in more ways than one. For instance, he championed the constitution that the business community operates within. Without the rule of law there is no business to talk about. This is what we mean by uncertainty and credibility

RAila promised to pioneer new regulation in the property rental business, more transparency, accountability is a positive. And in the process negotiate affordable rent guidelines for low income people. I suppose that is what you are referring to. smh
FARAJA wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 5:58 pm
The stock market has tanked because the judges threw the country into a tailspin. Shame on you. Uhuru is a pro-business president.

The business community is hellbent on stopping a crazy despot from Taking State House.

He's already promised to lower rent as if he owns all private rental properties.

Raila will know how hated he is bybth business community.

In any case, he's a toothless lion who has overstayed. He'll be trounced once and for all.

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Unread post by RMaddow » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:29 pm

Gumzo wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 12:46 pm
Mheshimiwa wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 11:35 am
Ojingaism will arrest landowners and distribute their land among so-called fake marginalized people. That's what communists do. This is a do or die battle.
This refering to Raila as communist is rather silly and reflects some level of stupidity in your part because Raila has been taking part in democratic elections for decades.

What makes him a communist ?

Kubaff !!
He's too lazy to even google communist. I swear jubilee is the Kenyan version of Trump's party of stupidity.

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Unread post by Murata » Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:54 pm

RMaddow wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 8:29 pm


He's too lazy to even google communist. I swear jubilee is the Kenyan version of Trump's party of stupidity.
My goodness, now where did this come from. I now feel like I have to defend Trumps party which is not what you describe. Is it witching time? I'm out haha

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