We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by vooke » Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:20 pm

Energizer wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:29 pm
What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. You are the one high on cheap crack. 'Inter alia' means 'amongst others'. In this instance, what are those 'others'? Do you know or are you just hiding behind some convenient meaningless terminology as a fig leaf to hide your saggy balls? If you know, please share. If you cannot define 'others' then, and until you get the 'particulars and substance' in the final judgement, you have no leg to stand on and are just flailing about like a beached whale.
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No, because voiding an election on the basis that transmission of ALREADY DECLARED results was not just nonsensical, especially considering ALL party agents had concurred with the outcome at constituency level, the legal threshold for presidential results, before transmitting to national tallying centre.
Go slow on weed. Who told you it was invalidated on the basis of transmission? Are you literate? Soma hapa

As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election, the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results, particulars and the substance of which will be given in the detailed and reasoned Judgment of the court. The court however found no evidence of misconduct on the part of the 3rd Respondent.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMM ... XlmN0p5aEU

Irregularities AND illegalities transcend Transmission
That ruling was not just incompetent, reckless and stupid, it was extremely dangerous. Can you imagine if it was Raila who had won and then the same judges had ruled for a repeat?? Would we be talking here today or would parts of the country be burning, maybe even the whole country?? This is the context in which this should be viewed by those like you who seem to naively think this is just a purely legal matter. It is not, it is 150% political, and it is to Jubilee supporters credit, maturity, great patience and patriotism that the country did not explode.
You are speculating. Besides,Baba and his supporters' reaction is irrelevant to the sanctity and wisdom of SCOK. Since when did we start gauging judgements by reactions they elicit?
The correct decision would have been for the judges to order a recount of VALID votes, full stop! The circus we now have would have been avoided. For putting the stability of this country in great danger in an effort to appease Raila and to 'redeem themselves', these 4 cowardly fools should be hanged, or at the very least removed from their jobs.
Baba demonstrated irregularities and illegalities and all the respondents lawyers trivialized them instead of challenging them in calling for a recount. It is not Judges' job to cook remedies nobody sought.

I am happy that Uhuru repeated today at SH as he met Kamba leaders that he is not letting this treasonous matter go and will revisit it soon after the election. It's great to see Uhuru STILL pissed off this long....that's the spirit.
Uhuru is understandably mad but he should go for IEBC that conducted a sham election. But alas,he is not. He is barking at the wrong tree probably because he has benefitted or he sought to benefit from IEBC blunders
Don't be an idiot (ok you're one I know)
Illegalities and irregularities OUTSIDE transmission as well inspired the ruling. I may not know what else but I know it was not mere transmission.

Let this sink through your thick helmet jubilidiot skull
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Unread post by Energizer » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:49 am

You are an incorrigible idiot 'inter alia' :lol: :lol:

Like a desperate makanga on the last matatu of the night, you keep touting this 'Illegalities and irregularities' outside transmission narrative, but which from the outset did not convince Justices Ojwang and Njoki (who probably know more about the alleged illegalities and irregularities than your exalted self) to concur with their colleagues. Yet here you are trying to convince Nipate that the alleged illegalities and irregularities have substance, never mind that you have no clue what they are in the first place, a fact you now reluctantly admit. Can you spell imbecile?
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:20 pm
Energizer wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:29 pm
What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. You are the one high on cheap crack. 'Inter alia' means 'amongst others'. In this instance, what are those 'others'? Do you know or are you just hiding behind some convenient meaningless terminology as a fig leaf to hide your saggy balls? If you know, please share. If you cannot define 'others' then, and until you get the 'particulars and substance' in the final judgement, you have no leg to stand on and are just flailing about like a beached whale.
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:14 pm

Go slow on weed. Who told you it was invalidated on the basis of transmission? Are you literate? Soma hapa

As to whether there were irregularities and illegalities committed in the conduct of the 2017 Presidential Election, the court was satisfied that the 1st Respondent committed irregularities and illegalities inter alia, in the transmission of results, particulars and the substance of which will be given in the detailed and reasoned Judgment of the court. The court however found no evidence of misconduct on the part of the 3rd Respondent.

https://drive.google.com/open?id=0B2rMM ... XlmN0p5aEU

Irregularities AND illegalities transcend Transmission


You are speculating. Besides,Baba and his supporters' reaction is irrelevant to the sanctity and wisdom of SCOK. Since when did we start gauging judgements by reactions they elicit?


Baba demonstrated irregularities and illegalities and all the respondents lawyers trivialized them instead of challenging them in calling for a recount. It is not Judges' job to cook remedies nobody sought.



Uhuru is understandably mad but he should go for IEBC that conducted a sham election. But alas,he is not. He is barking at the wrong tree probably because he has benefitted or he sought to benefit from IEBC blunders
Don't be an idiot (ok you're one I know)
Illegalities and irregularities OUTSIDE transmission as well inspired the ruling. I may not know what else but I know it was not mere transmission.

Let this sink through your thick helmet jubilidiot skull
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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Energizer » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:57 am

Where have I referred to Raila at all? Expressing outrage at an injustice and demanding accountability is not demonising the judges, it is our right. There is no basis for comparing what happened on September 1st and Raila's 2013 failed petition. Did Raila win the election in 2013 and then had his victory taken away? No! So what is the basis of your misguided comparison? Uhuru won in 2017 and then had his victory nullified based on dubious reasons, and that is why we are demanding justification from those 4 judges, failure to which they must pay, full stop!
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One would hope that Uhuru and Ruto are not of this mindset but you can see the repercussions of openly attacking the judges, now everyone and sundry assumes cover. What you are insinuating is lawlessness, Raila lost the 2013 court battle and accepted the ruling. There is no difference this time, from the proceedings that was witnessed by all, the court upheld it's transparency and credibility. Cool heads prevail, peace should prevail at all times. People should learn to resolve their differences amicably and under the rule of law. Iyo ingine, the rapid realisation that there is rule of law outside Kenya's jurisdiction would be quickly realised. You do remember even yule wa Libya was getting accolades and praise at one point, Kenya has a global audience unlike before. The killing and torture of the ICT young man was reported on NY times in their retraction story. Selling Raila as some monster wont help. I can easily predict that anything the judges say will not be satisfactory to the aggrieved
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:43 pm
Please, this is waaaayyy beyond Raila and his presidential ambitions. For Jubilee, this IS and has ALWAYS BEEN about the CJ criminally subverting the people's will, and those judges had BETTER HAVE some VERY, VERY CONVINCING reasons as to why they nullified the democratic will.

I am quite amused and astonished that many of you still haven't caught on to the ominous underlying currents within Jubilee where supporters are utterly convinced and still outraged that Maraga & co deliberately subverted the people's will, and the only thing holding them back is the conviction that they can win the re-run.

The fact that unlike Ojwang and Njoki, the 4 failed to present individual summaries giving reasons for their decisions, only fuels speculation that they have something sinister to hide. Many people don't even realise that Ojwang and Njoki will also give their full judgements. What if Ojwang and Njoki are more convincing to Jubilee supporters than the Maraga 4?

This is very serious shit guy, and if the October election is bungled or Raila loses and rejects the results, anything could happen! Do you see the import and ripple effect of what these 4 fools did and how they failed to manage the consequences of what they ruled???
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Energizer, will you guys ever get over this hehe. Raila has also lost many court rulings but the issue here is the manner that people who are in government should respond, by giving clear signals of acceptance and cooperation. Threatening Judges just because they have ruled against You is a bad precedent. You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies. It's also not good for the citizenry. Sometimes Judges can rule against any party, it's better if they showed more consideration
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Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:20 am

Energizer wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:49 am
You are an incorrigible idiot 'inter alia' :lol: :lol:

Like a desperate makanga on the last matatu of the night, you keep touting this 'Illegalities and irregularities' outside transmission narrative, but which from the outset did not convince Justices Ojwang and Njoki (who probably know more about the alleged illegalities and irregularities than your exalted self) to concur with their colleagues. Yet here you are trying to convince Nipate that the alleged illegalities and irregularities have substance, never mind that you have no clue what they are in the first place, a fact you now reluctantly admit. Can you spell imbecile?
vooke wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 9:20 pm
Energizer wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:29 pm
What does that prove? Absolutely nothing. You are the one high on cheap crack. 'Inter alia' means 'amongst others'. In this instance, what are those 'others'? Do you know or are you just hiding behind some convenient meaningless terminology as a fig leaf to hide your saggy balls? If you know, please share. If you cannot define 'others' then, and until you get the 'particulars and substance' in the final judgement, you have no leg to stand on and are just flailing about like a beached whale.

Don't be an idiot (ok you're one I know)
Illegalities and irregularities OUTSIDE transmission as well inspired the ruling. I may not know what else but I know it was not mere transmission.

Let this sink through your thick helmet jubilidiot skull
The irregularities and illegalities in AMONG OTHERS transmission convinced 4 judges. That's a lot of judges if you aks me.

But I've made my point; it took more than transmission failures to invalidate. But the Jubilidiot is busy pretending that transmission is what or all it took to invalidate.
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Unread post by FARAJA » Tue Sep 12, 2017 6:06 am

Vooke,
The highly political judgment, tantamount to a civilian coup, or if you like a judicial coup from judges who rewrote the constitution by denying voters their outright right, will be revisited after Jakuon is YET AGAIN defeated by the voice of the voters.

Theee is no question the narrative will change after a shellacking on 10/17.

As you can see, NASA is still engaged in sideshows with their principal appearing at the IEBC this morning and then walking away after realizing UHuru is not showing up.

They know they were beaten but used trickery and will be beat n hands down again and again.

Since the new constitution was enacted in 2010, Jakuon has been banking on a re-run in the hope that everyone except the Kikuyus and Kalenjins will jump ship and join his. To the contrary. Nearly all are jumpin his ship and trooping to Jubilee. Hence the continued shenanigans of Chiloba must NGO!! Muhati must kwenda, I direct Muthama must be released immediately.

Wembe ni ule ule. Na safari hii, hata maji hakuna. Remember Raila telling Uhuru before the abortive saba saba: ukiona mwenzio anyolewa, tia chako maji? Poetic justice is coming.

Anyway, SCOK shambolic judgment is irrelevant until we slay NASA on 10/17. Then we can start the revisiting.
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Re: We'll impeach 'president Raila' in 3 months, Jubilee has numbers - Uhuru

Unread post by Murata » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:10 am

According to Raila, he did win the 2013 and had his victory taken away. The Judges did not hand the win to Raila this time around, what they did was send a strong message and set a precedent that an Election is not an event, But a process. This point is missed but it is the crux of the matter. What is of note is the many electral offences committed in every election cycle in Kenya from campaigning using State resources to bribing to intimidation and so many other ills that really give anyone who is not an incumbent and using State resources an almost impossible task. It is equivalent to single-party rule (no democracy). The other day Raila said that he ran for presidential elections prior to Governor's existing makes an even greater point to that. We know that the government is the biggest employer and because the country has such a big unemployed base The only way to counter state officials abusing the desperation of the citizenry is by enacting proper laws and holding them to a higher standard in the process of carrying out the election especially when it comes to intimidation and bribery =Energizer post_id=580250 time=1505203068 user_id=360]
Where have I referred to Raila at all? Expressing outrage at an injustice and demanding accountability is not demonising the judges, it is our right. There is no basis for comparing what happened on September 1st and Raila's 2013 failed petition. Did Raila win the election in 2013 and then had his victory taken away? No! So what is the basis of your misguided comparison? Uhuru won in 2017 and then had his victory nullified based on dubious reasons, and that is why we are demanding justification from those 4 judges, failure to which they must pay, full stop!
Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 4:12 pm
One would hope that Uhuru and Ruto are not of this mindset but you can see the repercussions of openly attacking the judges, now everyone and sundry assumes cover. What you are insinuating is lawlessness, Raila lost the 2013 court battle and accepted the ruling. There is no difference this time, from the proceedings that was witnessed by all, the court upheld it's transparency and credibility. Cool heads prevail, peace should prevail at all times. People should learn to resolve their differences amicably and under the rule of law. Iyo ingine, the rapid realisation that there is rule of law outside Kenya's jurisdiction would be quickly realised. You do remember even yule wa Libya was getting accolades and praise at one point, Kenya has a global audience unlike before. The killing and torture of the ICT young man was reported on NY times in their retraction story. Selling Raila as some monster wont help. I can easily predict that anything the judges say will not be satisfactory to the aggrieved
Energizer wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 3:43 pm
Please, this is waaaayyy beyond Raila and his presidential ambitions. For Jubilee, this IS and has ALWAYS BEEN about the CJ criminally subverting the people's will, and those judges had BETTER HAVE some VERY, VERY CONVINCING reasons as to why they nullified the democratic will.

I am quite amused and astonished that many of you still haven't caught on to the ominous underlying currents within Jubilee where supporters are utterly convinced and still outraged that Maraga & co deliberately subverted the people's will, and the only thing holding them back is the conviction that they can win the re-run.

The fact that unlike Ojwang and Njoki, the 4 failed to present individual summaries giving reasons for their decisions, only fuels speculation that they have something sinister to hide. Many people don't even realise that Ojwang and Njoki will also give their full judgements. What if Ojwang and Njoki are more convincing to Jubilee supporters than the Maraga 4?

This is very serious shit guy, and if the October election is bungled or Raila loses and rejects the results, anything could happen! Do you see the import and ripple effect of what these 4 fools did and how they failed to manage the consequences of what they ruled???

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Unread post by obienga » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:37 am

Murata,

Your point is understood. Are you aware there was a fake news article planted by Jakuon's Canadian operatives to work hand in hand with NASWAs aborted plan to stealthily steal the elections and the markets did not react positively?

Investors and spectators are cognizant of the candidate who breeds and aspires to use anarchy as a way of life. All are also aware of the candidate who revels in the politics of perpetual poverty that he did nothing for his constituents for over 20 years. When the new Kibra MP attempted to change the conditions of his constituents, the same candidate began a campaign to unseat him using his own daughter as a pawn in the game.

She would later fall ill and did not contest. Politics of progress and politics from the enemies of progress are very different, investors happen to favour the former. The sooner we get to October 17 and the three weeks following after, the better.
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Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:29 pm
Obienga, Raila existed before and after the petition. What changed as far as what markets might consider unstable is a court ruling that was met with unjustified remarks by Uhuru and Ruto. By making questionable remarks towards the Judges and creating uncertainty, the markets reacted. Had there been one voice of congratulating Raila for having made a remarkable compromise by taking his case to court, I doubt we would have seen a negative response. Markets don't react well to uncertainties. Everything was blown out of proportion
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Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 1:48 pm
You saw the negative effects their responses have had on the Kenyan stock market including negative reports from rating agencies.
It is the utterances of Jakuonists who preach anarchy and violence that have a negative effect, its undisputed as to who the merchant of violence in Kenya.
AUGUST 14, 2017 / 9:58 AM
Kenya's stock market hits 14-month high after Kenyatta victory
Kenya’s main stock index rose 2.51 percent on Monday to a 14-month high, building on gains last week as investors welcomed the re-election of President Uhuru Kenyatta.

The NSE-20 index has risen nearly 7 percent since the election last Tuesday. Kenyatta was declared winner by a clear margin on Friday but his main challenger, Raila Odinga, has not yet conceded. http://af.reuters.com/article/africaTec ... U1KF-OZABS
SEPTEMBER 1, 2017
Kenya stock exchange halts trading briefly after fall on court ruling
Kenya’s stock exchange halted trading briefly midway through Friday’s session after blue chip shares plummeted following the Supreme Court’s decision to annul the result of the Aug. 8 presidential election. https://reut.rs/2vPDOwk

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Unread post by walahu » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:58 am

A bullet through his shinny cheeks is enough.
He will NEVER EVER be PORK, EVER!
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My Kenya voted, NO to COONISM!!Raila is KAPUT!, .

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Unread post by Murata » Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:34 am

obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:37 am
Murata,

Your point is understood. Are you aware there was a fake news article planted by Jakuon's Canadian operatives to work hand in hand with NASWAs aborted plan to stealthily steal the elections and the markets did not react positively?

Investors and spectators are cognizant of the candidate who breeds and aspires to use anarchy as a way of life. All are also aware of the candidate who revels in the politics of perpetual poverty that he did nothing for his constituents for over 20 years. When the new Kibra MP attempted to change the conditions of his constituents, the same candidate began a campaign to unseat him using his own daughter as a pawn in the game.

She would later fall ill and did not contest. Politics of progress and politics from the enemies of progress are very different, investors happen to favour the former. The sooner we get to October 17 and the three weeks following after, the better.
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Murata wrote:
Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:29 pm
Obienga, Raila existed before and after the petition. What changed as far as what markets might consider unstable is a court ruling that was met with unjustified remarks by Uhuru and Ruto. By making questionable remarks towards the Judges and creating uncertainty, the markets reacted. Had there been one voice of congratulating Raila for having made a remarkable compromise by taking his case to court, I doubt we would have seen a negative response. Markets don't react well to uncertainties. Everything was blown out of proportion
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Mon Sep 11, 2017 2:07 pm

It is the utterances of Jakuonists who preach anarchy and violence that have a negative effect, its undisputed as to who the merchant of violence in Kenya.

I think you're wrong in your analysis of why investors would be concerned and worried about any particular investment. Stability peace and security are the backbone of any successful investment. The minute you start disparaging important structures that an investor would go to to protect his investment such as the court of law you have sent the wrong signals. Again I've pointed out before the importance of the rule of law, the Constitution which Raila Championed successfully for its Passage and arguably that is the most important achievement for Kenya in the last few decades. The talk of attributing development to any one person I think is false, infrastructure which is where the focus is, is financed through debt heavy borrowing and the people negotiating for this money are leveraging the people's resources and promising to pay back this money into the future when they are likely out of government. You want them to be trustworthy you want them to be transparent and you want them to be forthcoming. If they can't run a clean and transparent election/campaign how would you trust them with anything else?

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Unread post by obienga » Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:28 pm

Murata wrote:
Wed Sep 13, 2017 5:34 am
I think you're wrong in your analysis of why investors would be concerned and worried about any particular investment. Stability peace and security are the backbone of any successful investment. The minute you start disparaging important structures that an investor would go to to protect his investment such as the court of law you have sent the wrong signals. Again I've pointed out before the importance of the rule of law, the Constitution which Raila Championed successfully for its Passage and arguably that is the most important achievement for Kenya in the last few decades. The talk of attributing development to any one person I think is false, infrastructure which is where the focus is, is financed through debt heavy borrowing and the people negotiating for this money are leveraging the people's resources and promising to pay back this money into the future when they are likely out of government. You want them to be trustworthy you want them to be transparent and you want them to be forthcoming. If they can't run a clean and transparent election/campaign how would you trust them with anything else?
Investors look at who provides them with an enabling environment and their track record. We can dwell in theory all day long but when it comes to factual occurrences then we know whom investors favour at the end of the day. Who was it that said they would not go to court? That same constitution accords judges due process for removal from office. If they have done nothing wrong there is nothing to fear. The US, has impeached judges and Presidents, the Kenyan constitution is loosely modeled after it.

When you incite your followers to destroy the core foundation of the developments then yes, you have become an enemy of progress and development. You also seem to be on the wrong path in your assessment of who runs and conducts an election in Kenya. It is not a body selected by the government, it is that selected by a broad array of representatives in society. Lets check back for investor sentiment 3 weeks after October 17.

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