WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

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WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 7:01 am

Saying all this


Earns you this charge sheet
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Saying all this


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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by Garlic » Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:49 am

Insulting Raila or Uhuru should not be classified as hate speech.

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:36 am

Garlic wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:49 am
Insulting Raila or Uhuru should not be classified as hate speech.
What is hate speech?
"No warrior entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)..

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by obienga » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am

vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:36 am
Garlic wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:49 am
Insulting Raila or Uhuru should not be classified as hate speech.
What is hate speech?
Jakuonist, read section 96a, revise it the vooke way then come and tell us. In other jurisdictions such as the USA, such crimes fall under colourful names such as terroristic threatening, stalking, harassment and hate crimes. In Europe they are more strict, denying the holocaust is a prosecutable offense.

An insult is just an insult until it shown it was calculated to have a desired effect that crosses a line that defines the freedom of speech. The question then falls on intent, but how do you determine what intent is? Anyone is free to contest these laws as being unconstitutional, so how come no one has done so...successfully? Kenyans actually have more leeway to be insulting their leaders than most places in the world, yet they still complain.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled against a protester who said his free speech rights had been violated when Secret Service agents arrested him after he made critical remarks about the Bush administration’s war policies.
The case arose from a 2006 visit by Vice President Dick Cheney to a mall in Beaver Creek, Colo. A Secret Service agent assigned to protect the vice president said he heard a man standing nearby say into a cellphone that he planned to ask Mr. Cheney “how many kids he’s killed today.” The man, Steven Howards, later approached Mr. Cheney and said the administration’s “policies in Iraq are disgusting.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/us/se ... -rule.html
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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by walahu » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am

Fak rails and his whining shitty goons
ukileta nyokos
My Kenya voted, NO to COONISM!!Raila is KAPUT!, .

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:36 am

obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am
vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:36 am
Garlic wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 8:49 am
Insulting Raila or Uhuru should not be classified as hate speech.
What is hate speech?
Jakuonist, read section 96a, revise it the vooke way then come and tell us. In other jurisdictions such as the USA, such crimes fall under colourful names such as terroristic threatening, stalking, harassment and hate crimes. In Europe they are more strict, denying the holocaust is a prosecutable offense.

An insult is just an insult until it shown it was calculated to have a desired effect that crosses a line that defines the freedom of speech. The question then falls on intent, but how do you determine what intent is? Anyone is free to contest these laws as being unconstitutional, so how come no one has done so...successfully? Kenyans actually have more leeway to be insulting their leaders than most places in the world, yet they still complain.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled against a protester who said his free speech rights had been violated when Secret Service agents arrested him after he made critical remarks about the Bush administration’s war policies.
The case arose from a 2006 visit by Vice President Dick Cheney to a mall in Beaver Creek, Colo. A Secret Service agent assigned to protect the vice president said he heard a man standing nearby say into a cellphone that he planned to ask Mr. Cheney “how many kids he’s killed today.” The man, Steven Howards, later approached Mr. Cheney and said the administration’s “policies in Iraq are disgusting.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/us/se ... -rule.html
We have yet to decisively define hate speech.

Explains why the duo got off with 'incitement to violence'

You honestly think inviting Uhunye to a duel is bad?

The arrests are stupid
"No warrior entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)..

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by AntiHubris » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:35 am

Where is Foggy to give us Saint Magufuli's benchmark?

Perhaps the hope is that fools like Muthama will see the futility of shitting in buckets in police cells to advance Babuu's brand now that he is out of elective politricks- at least for now. Kuria on the other hand sees his foul mouth as the glue that keeps his constituency to him.

The taboo that "big" men cannot be locked up has however been smashed.

vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:36 am
obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am
vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:36 am


What is hate speech?
Jakuonist, read section 96a, revise it the vooke way then come and tell us. In other jurisdictions such as the USA, such crimes fall under colourful names such as terroristic threatening, stalking, harassment and hate crimes. In Europe they are more strict, denying the holocaust is a prosecutable offense.

An insult is just an insult until it shown it was calculated to have a desired effect that crosses a line that defines the freedom of speech. The question then falls on intent, but how do you determine what intent is? Anyone is free to contest these laws as being unconstitutional, so how come no one has done so...successfully? Kenyans actually have more leeway to be insulting their leaders than most places in the world, yet they still complain.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled against a protester who said his free speech rights had been violated when Secret Service agents arrested him after he made critical remarks about the Bush administration’s war policies.
The case arose from a 2006 visit by Vice President Dick Cheney to a mall in Beaver Creek, Colo. A Secret Service agent assigned to protect the vice president said he heard a man standing nearby say into a cellphone that he planned to ask Mr. Cheney “how many kids he’s killed today.” The man, Steven Howards, later approached Mr. Cheney and said the administration’s “policies in Iraq are disgusting.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/us/se ... -rule.html
We have yet to decisively define hate speech.

Explains why the duo got off with 'incitement to violence'

You honestly think inviting Uhunye to a duel is bad?

The arrests are stupid

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by obienga » Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:53 pm

vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 10:36 am
obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:52 am
vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:36 am


What is hate speech?
Jakuonist, read section 96a, revise it the vooke way then come and tell us. In other jurisdictions such as the USA, such crimes fall under colourful names such as terroristic threatening, stalking, harassment and hate crimes. In Europe they are more strict, denying the holocaust is a prosecutable offense.

An insult is just an insult until it shown it was calculated to have a desired effect that crosses a line that defines the freedom of speech. The question then falls on intent, but how do you determine what intent is? Anyone is free to contest these laws as being unconstitutional, so how come no one has done so...successfully? Kenyans actually have more leeway to be insulting their leaders than most places in the world, yet they still complain.
WASHINGTON — The Supreme Court on Monday unanimously ruled against a protester who said his free speech rights had been violated when Secret Service agents arrested him after he made critical remarks about the Bush administration’s war policies.
The case arose from a 2006 visit by Vice President Dick Cheney to a mall in Beaver Creek, Colo. A Secret Service agent assigned to protect the vice president said he heard a man standing nearby say into a cellphone that he planned to ask Mr. Cheney “how many kids he’s killed today.” The man, Steven Howards, later approached Mr. Cheney and said the administration’s “policies in Iraq are disgusting.” http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/05/us/se ... -rule.html
We have yet to decisively define hate speech.

Explains why the duo got off with 'incitement to violence'

You honestly think inviting Uhunye to a duel is bad?

The arrests are stupid
Indeed it has not, maybe the Maraga 4 can settle it by legislating from the bench if the cases get that far. What should be prosecuted are blatant war calls or where evidence of incitement exists. Kenyans tend to have short memories, the events they forget what led to such laws being passed. They can tell the judges their arrests have no basis in law. Kenya is a young democracy, when individuals cannot behave themselves on their own volition, then society has the right to act to reign them.

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:02 pm

obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:53 pm
Indeed it has not, maybe the Maraga 4 can settle it by legislating from the bench if the cases get that far. What should be prosecuted are blatant war calls or where evidence of incitement exists. Kenyans tend to have short memories, the events they forget what led to such laws being passed. They can tell the judges their arrests have no basis in law. Kenya is a young democracy, when individuals cannot behave themselves on their own volition, then society has the right to act to reign them.
This ambiguity is why Alai has never been charged with nothing or Nyakundi. Either we legislate or do away with it completely
"No warrior entangleth himself with the affairs of this life; that he may please him who hath chosen him to be a soldier." (2 Timothy 2:4)..

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by obienga » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:19 pm

vooke wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 2:02 pm
obienga wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 1:53 pm
Indeed it has not, maybe the Maraga 4 can settle it by legislating from the bench if the cases get that far. What should be prosecuted are blatant war calls or where evidence of incitement exists. Kenyans tend to have short memories, the events they forget what led to such laws being passed. They can tell the judges their arrests have no basis in law. Kenya is a young democracy, when individuals cannot behave themselves on their own volition, then society has the right to act to reign them.
This ambiguity is why Alai has never been charged with nothing or Nyakundi. Either we legislate or do away with it completely
The Kenyan justice system is slower than a tortoise out on a Sunday afternoon stroll in most cases. Ultimately it is Tobiko's office that decides if a criminal case is worth pursuing based on the evidence available and the cases below are already in progress. Nyakundi has a litany of civil cases against him that if they are driven to their conclusion will leave him a pauper. I'm not aware that he has recently engaged in "hate speech" or "incitement" neither has Alai. They may have engaged in other conduct that is best left alone or for private parties to pursue in court. As noted elsewhere there is a long list of 273 or more persons who may wind up facing charges, so the legal framework does exist. The case against Alai was different in context, and he seems to have prevailed: http://kenyalaw.org/caselaw/cases/view/135467

There are other cases with merits in progress and many more to come for as long as the evidence to pursue is present, there is no need to do away with the laws which do have a legislative background and historical context that was not pulled out of thin air.
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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by NattyDread » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:26 pm

Moses Kuria's language is unbecoming of a mature person.

That obsession with foreskins and the misogynistic remarks do not fit in a party where we have people like Raphael Tuju doing great work, and a government where Ms. Omamo takes care of defence. Instead of that, he should apply his intellect to mobilize trusted agents in all 40,886 polling stations and 290 constituency HQs to guard the vote. He wasted a precious day and night in the police station and courts, only to be seen hugging with the very people he exchanges the adolescent invective with.
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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by nowayhaha » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:32 pm

NattyDread wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:26 pm
Moses Kuria's language is unbecoming of a mature person.

That obsession with foreskins and the misogynistic remarks do not fit in a party where we have people like Raphael Tuju doing great work, and a government where Ms. Omamo takes care of defence. Instead of that, he should apply his intellect to mobilize trusted agents in all 40,886 polling stations and 290 constituency HQs to guard the vote. He wasted a precious day and night in the police station and courts, only to be seen hugging with the very people he exchanges the adolescent invective with.


Kuria and Joho are tight from the 90s .....These are connects from Dubai to Clearing and Forwarding those days when it was lucrative......

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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by NattyDread » Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:46 pm

nowayhaha wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:32 pm
Kuria and Joho are tight from the 90s .....These are connects from Dubai to Clearing and Forwarding those days when it was lucrative......
The more reason they should steer away from stupid exchanges deliberately done to create false impressions in the public.
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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by vooke » Tue Sep 12, 2017 9:12 pm

Why handle Kuria with kid gloves, why arrest him only after much protest while Muthama was arrested promptly?

This demonstrates how Jubilee is in control of NPS and NCIC.
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Re: WTF is 'Incitement to Violence'?

Unread post by nowayhaha » Tue Sep 12, 2017 11:06 pm

NattyDread wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:46 pm
nowayhaha wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2017 3:32 pm
Kuria and Joho are tight from the 90s .....These are connects from Dubai to Clearing and Forwarding those days when it was lucrative......
The more reason they should steer away from stupid exchanges deliberately done to create false impressions in the public.

true Natty, Kenyans are cleverer these days unlike in the 90s when Jaramogi and Ford Kenya were out there blasting Pattni and Saitoti for Goldenberg but actually getting handouts from Pattni to protect himself when it came to where it matters

As you have noticed no one cares about Joho and Kuria with the exception of the media and some facebook tribal spitters. The focus is 17th October after doing away with Raila on 08 Aug We want to send a statement to the Wakora 4

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