Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by Garlic » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 am

No need for court. If that 2013 Judgment is confirmed as such, then we proceed to have Presidential election in 90 days. Uhuruto enjoy full presidential authority until the next president is sworn in.
Politically, it may be time to entice Kalonzo to abandon Bambino and seek new alliance. Or he does it on his own..
Political calculations and permutations may change especially on NASA side. For Jubilee their support base remains intact whether tomorow or in January. And as they say Wembe ni Ule Ule.

But what Bambino is aiming for is to somehow create a crisis. Claim Uhuruto are not legitimate and generally make life difficult for anyone. Their ultimate aim is regime change through backdoor of Judiciary/civil societies or get into government through threats of so called mass action. Which means paralyse Nairobi CBD and create sense of utter chaos.


vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by vooke » Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:53 am

Garlic wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 am
No need for court. If that 2013 Judgment is confirmed as such, then we proceed to have Presidential election in 90 days. Uhuruto enjoy full presidential authority until the next president is sworn in.
Politically, it may be time to entice Kalonzo to abandon Bambino and seek new alliance. Or he does it on his own..
Political calculations and permutations may change especially on NASA side. For Jubilee their support base remains intact whether tomorow or in January. And as they say Wembe ni Ule Ule.

But what Bambino is aiming for is to somehow create a crisis. Claim Uhuruto are not legitimate and generally make life difficult for anyone. Their ultimate aim is regime change through backdoor of Judiciary/civil societies or get into government through threats of so called mass action. Which means paralyse Nairobi CBD and create sense of utter chaos.


vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu
There can’t be any crisis by going beyond 60 days without elections as far as I can see.

But provisions of Arricle 138(1)(b) taken literally means another election will be held 5 years from now in August.


That’s another deranged but plausible means of interpretation and the idea is we can’t have temporary incumbent running for 5yrs.

Ndii tweeted something to this effect
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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by Forwardoh » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:16 am

Accept and Move on. Short memory. Umesahau he told you to go tend to your jiggers. Kalonzo is in NASA to stay. Accept and Move on.
Garlic wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 am
No need for court. If that 2013 Judgment is confirmed as such, then we proceed to have Presidential election in 90 days. Uhuruto enjoy full presidential authority until the next president is sworn in.
Politically, it may be time to entice Kalonzo to abandon Bambino and seek new alliance. Or he does it on his own..
Political calculations and permutations may change especially on NASA side. For Jubilee their support base remains intact whether tomorow or in January. And as they say Wembe ni Ule Ule.

But what Bambino is aiming for is to somehow create a crisis. Claim Uhuruto are not legitimate and generally make life difficult for anyone. Their ultimate aim is regime change through backdoor of Judiciary/civil societies or get into government through threats of so called mass action. Which means paralyse Nairobi CBD and create sense of utter chaos.


vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by AntiHubris » Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:59 am

Foggy,

Why are you all cranky and jittery after Naswa court win?
Forwardoh wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:16 am
Accept and Move on. Short memory. Umesahau he told you to go tend to your jiggers. Kalonzo is in NASA to stay. Accept and Move on.
Garlic wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 am
No need for court. If that 2013 Judgment is confirmed as such, then we proceed to have Presidential election in 90 days. Uhuruto enjoy full presidential authority until the next president is sworn in.
Politically, it may be time to entice Kalonzo to abandon Bambino and seek new alliance. Or he does it on his own..
Political calculations and permutations may change especially on NASA side. For Jubilee their support base remains intact whether tomorow or in January. And as they say Wembe ni Ule Ule.

But what Bambino is aiming for is to somehow create a crisis. Claim Uhuruto are not legitimate and generally make life difficult for anyone. Their ultimate aim is regime change through backdoor of Judiciary/civil societies or get into government through threats of so called mass action. Which means paralyse Nairobi CBD and create sense of utter chaos.


vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by Garlic » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:19 am

Don't be so touchy. With or without Kaloi, Jubilee has the numbers. But for politically astute the aim of plucking Kaloi from Bambino would be to totally isolate the perennial warmonger.
Forwardoh wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 5:16 am
Accept and Move on. Short memory. Umesahau he told you to go tend to your jiggers. Kalonzo is in NASA to stay. Accept and Move on.
Garlic wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:35 am
No need for court. If that 2013 Judgment is confirmed as such, then we proceed to have Presidential election in 90 days. Uhuruto enjoy full presidential authority until the next president is sworn in.
Politically, it may be time to entice Kalonzo to abandon Bambino and seek new alliance. Or he does it on his own..
Political calculations and permutations may change especially on NASA side. For Jubilee their support base remains intact whether tomorow or in January. And as they say Wembe ni Ule Ule.

But what Bambino is aiming for is to somehow create a crisis. Claim Uhuruto are not legitimate and generally make life difficult for anyone. Their ultimate aim is regime change through backdoor of Judiciary/civil societies or get into government through threats of so called mass action. Which means paralyse Nairobi CBD and create sense of utter chaos.


vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by Garlic » Mon Sep 25, 2017 6:25 am

Again, if 2013 definition of fresh election holds, then no need to invoke Article 138 (1)(b). Because we are still within election cycle from August 8th. Therefore the Supreme Court definition stands.

And i agree, there will be no crisis unless a manufactured one.
vooke wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 4:53 am

There can’t be any crisis by going beyond 60 days without elections as far as I can see.

But provisions of Arricle 138(1)(b) taken literally means another election will be held 5 years from now in August.


That’s another deranged but plausible means of interpretation and the idea is we can’t have temporary incumbent running for 5yrs.

Ndii tweeted something to this effect

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by obienga » Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:42 am

vooke wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 12:17 am
obienga wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 10:01 pm
So in other words, all the transversing he is doing is to incite mass action?

He could abandon it yes, and at the last minute but unless it is Maraga ruling vs the high court, I suspect they will look at prior cases on what defined abandonment.

Kuria might be able to claim temporary insanity but he stooped lower than anyone would ever do.
vooke wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:56 pm
Obienga,
If he quits early, Jubilee may seek remedy in court so I'm sure it's a last minute stunt.

He won't quit merely to stop elections, he will feign poorly reformed IEBC as an excuse so as to make it credible.

Babu went overboard but so did Kuria in vowing to circumcise Baba and shave Ida's nunu
But I’m wondering how High Court is supposed to overrule SCOK.

How can SCOK’s pronouncement on this matter be challenged?
The High Court need not overrule the SCOK. The High Court need only analyze what abandon means and the petitioner will be in the cross hairs of claiming that one hand he has abandoned the contest while being in court to contest that the election must be stopped. Genuine abandonment may mean genuinely retreating and not engaging in any political activity including contesting the holding of the election in the first place. He cannot speak of the election or how to scuttle it (an offence under the elections act) if he has abandoned it.

To challenge it, IEBC must go on with the election and someone must go to the high court to attempt to stop it. I believe Aukot is one of those challenging his exclusion based on the 2013 ruling and Maraga sent him away to the High Court.

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Re: Here’s how Baba can stop Elections

Unread post by vooke » Mon Sep 25, 2017 8:10 am

obienga wrote:
Mon Sep 25, 2017 7:42 am
The High Court need not overrule the SCOK. The High Court need only analyze what abandon means and the petitioner will be in the cross hairs of claiming that one hand he has abandoned the contest while being in court to contest that the election must be stopped. Genuine abandonment may mean genuinely retreating and not engaging in any political activity including contesting the holding of the election in the first place. He cannot speak of the election or how to scuttle it (an offence under the elections act) if he has abandoned it.

To challenge it, IEBC must go on with the election and someone must go to the high court to attempt to stop it. I believe Aukot is one of those challenging his exclusion based on the 2013 ruling and Maraga sent him away to the High Court.
Nice try but SCOK was clear; ‘abandon the electoral quest before the scheduled date’. That means any date before 26th

Playing devil’s advocate. Baba can claim he was genuinely in it till his reforms were frustrated upon which he notified IEBC. EOD
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