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Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by vooke » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Ok, the first one was abandoning the race hoping to stop Elections. Turns out Mativo had other ideas. I still hear Baba advisors/apologists ,very intelligent fools, like Otiende and Havi argue that Mativo can’t be applied retroactively so Baba is immune from it since he withdrew hours before Mativo. Mativo never made new laws so I don’t know how that pans out. I think the negroes are still in denial and are just saving face making moronic arguments.

The second one is disrupting elections. Before Baba withdrew this was just a fantasy but it has gained lethal significance. There are two ways of looking at it;
1. Katiba holds that presidential elections are held in all constituencies. Disrupting elections in even one would ,to them, invalidate the elections as they was not held according to katiba

2. If #1 fails to convince SCOK, ensure Uhunye’s margin of victory is less than all the disrupted votes forcing repeat elections.

With Baba pulling out, it’s obvious #2 is stillborn because Uhunye margin will be higher but with IEBC refusal to remove him from the ballot you just never know.


Why is this gamble silly? It assumes failure to hold presidential election in each constituency automatically leads to invalidation.

(2) If two or more candidates for President are nominated, an election shall be held in each constituency.

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by True RV » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am

Besides elections in some constituencies can be held on a different date, India style. Does the Constitution say elections must be held on same day?

vooke wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by Logan » Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:57 am

True RV wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am
Besides elections in some constituencies can be held on a different date, India style. Does the Constitution say elections must be held on same day?

vooke wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by vooke » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:05 pm

True RV wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am
Besides elections in some constituencies can be held on a different date, India style. Does the Constitution say elections must be held on same day?

vooke wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
Good question. I think they can be postponed
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by SaltyLight » Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:24 pm

True RV wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am
Besides elections in some constituencies can be held on a different date, India style. Does the Constitution say elections must be held on same day?

vooke wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
Section 55 of the elections act takes care of postponement of elections. Provides for that

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by vooke » Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:28 am

A subtle difference between the first and this gamble.
NASA were totally convinced that withdrawal would stop the elections. They refused to campaign precisely for this reason.

Not so with disruption. Yes it's clear there will be disruption in at least one constituency but they are not relenting and are increasingly angry. Desperation gallore
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by SaltyLight » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:30 am

Raial took a gamble. A big one and it will fail. Unless Chebukati plays ball and Uhuru fails to take the law back to parliament so as to reduce the quorum.

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by obienga » Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:32 am

55B. Postponement of elections by the Commission
(1) The Commission may, where a date has been appointed for holding an election, postpone the election in a constituency, county or ward for such period as it may consider necessary where —
(a) there is reason to believe that a serious breach of peace is likely to occur if the election is held on that date;
(b) it is impossible to conduct the elections as a result of a natural disaster or other emergencies,
(c) that there has been occurrence of an electoral malpractice of such a nature and gravity as to make it impossible for an election to proceed.
(2) Where an election is postponed under subsection (1), the election shall be held at the earliest practicable time.
(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, the Commission may, if satisfied that the result of the elections will not be affected by voting in the area in respect of which substituted dates have been appointed, direct that a return of the elections be made.
SaltyLight wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 10:24 pm
True RV wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:40 am
Besides elections in some constituencies can be held on a different date, India style. Does the Constitution say elections must be held on same day?

vooke wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2017 9:33 am

Methinks failure to hold an election in a constituency would not lead to invalidation UNLESS it is demonstrated that;
1. IEBC fails to demonstrate any effort in doing so,and
2. There is no election in the constituency, and
3. Disenfranchised voters comprise a significant proportion compared to what Uhunye garners

It’s obvious NASA are keen to disrupt evidenced by their looking the other way. Will SCOK sympathize with lawlessness?
Section 55 of the elections act takes care of postponement of elections. Provides for that

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by Kunadawa » Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:48 am

what is the definition of a constituency. Supposing only one or two polling stations are able to operate within the constituency and all others are forciibly shut, will the resultant return, even if zero, mean the constituency will have voted
vooke wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:28 am
A subtle difference between the first and this gamble.
NASA were totally convinced that withdrawal would stop the elections. They refused to campaign precisely for this reason.

Not so with disruption. Yes it's clear there will be disruption in at least one constituency but they are not relenting and are increasingly angry. Desperation gallore

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by nowayhaha » Thu Oct 19, 2017 4:00 am

The Polling Officers Returning and the temporary staff will be the first to vote . Or does Nasa think they dont vote. Elections will be held If NASA tries to disrupt and cause harm to IEBC officials in their stronghold the long arm of law will catch up with them.All in All its the end of Raila and his type of politics

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by vooke » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:44 am

Kunadawa wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 3:48 am
what is the definition of a constituency. Supposing only one or two polling stations are able to operate within the constituency and all others are forciibly shut, will the resultant return, even if zero, mean the constituency will have voted
vooke wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 1:28 am
A subtle difference between the first and this gamble.
NASA were totally convinced that withdrawal would stop the elections. They refused to campaign precisely for this reason.

Not so with disruption. Yes it's clear there will be disruption in at least one constituency but they are not relenting and are increasingly angry. Desperation gallore
Constituency is a geographical region obviously and it is left to IEBC to define and demarcate these. I think the gist of the clause is presidential elections should be held over the entire county
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by Kunadawa » Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:52 am

vooke wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 5:44 am
Constituency is a geographical region obviously and it is left to IEBC to define and demarcate these. I think the gist of the clause is presidential elections should be held over the entire county
No. It says at each constituency. NASA shenanigans is to block off the entire county, hence the bellicose statements from NASA governors

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by NattyDread » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:06 am

obienga wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:32 am
]55B. Postponement of elections by the Commission
(1) The Commission may, where a date has been appointed for holding an election, postpone the election in a constituency, county or ward for such period as it may consider necessary where —
(a) there is reason to believe that a serious breach of peace is likely to occur if the election is held on that date;
(b) it is impossible to conduct the elections as a result of a natural disaster or other emergencies,
(c) that there has been occurrence of an electoral malpractice of such a nature and gravity as to make it impossible for an election to proceed.
(2) Where an election is postponed under subsection (1), the election shall be held at the earliest practicable time.
(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, the Commission may, if satisfied that the result of the elections will not be affected by voting in the area in respect of which substituted dates have been appointed, direct that a return of the elections be made.
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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by Kunadawa » Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:21 am

NattyDread wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 6:06 am
obienga wrote:
Thu Oct 19, 2017 2:32 am
]55B. Postponement of elections by the Commission
(1) The Commission may, where a date has been appointed for holding an election, postpone the election in a constituency, county or ward for such period as it may consider necessary where —
(a) there is reason to believe that a serious breach of peace is likely to occur if the election is held on that date;
(b) it is impossible to conduct the elections as a result of a natural disaster or other emergencies,
(c) that there has been occurrence of an electoral malpractice of such a nature and gravity as to make it impossible for an election to proceed.
(2) Where an election is postponed under subsection (1), the election shall be held at the earliest practicable time.
(3) Notwithstanding the provisions of this section, the Commission may, if satisfied that the result of the elections will not be affected by voting in the area in respect of which substituted dates have been appointed, direct that a return of the elections be made.
Asande sana Bro!!
IMHO, if NASA do not participate in the polling and violently prevent polling they cannot then go to court and claim that Ouru was not validly elected because he did not get any votes from Kondele, or Kisumu town for that matter. Since they haven't voted they cannot appeal. Their second best option is to get Okiya Omatiti Omatata to appeal on their behalf, then I E B C only need to provide findeo evidence that they attempted to organise the election. Best bet is to get a small police heavily armed garrison at the center of each constituency where the ballots can be kept for a few hours then polling gets declared closed, tallies sent by smartphone and voila, erection is over

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Re: Another Silly Gamble by Baba

Unread post by YellowOne » Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:56 am

Pasta vooke, of what good would this be. barring people do what they want to do.

let me be jesus for a moment, "of what good would be to rig the presidency and loose the whole Kenya?"
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Not so with disruption. Yes it's clear there will be disruption in at least one constituency but they are not relenting and are increasingly angry. Desperation gallore
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