The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

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The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by nairobian » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:02 pm

From mashada:

Many Doubting Thomases on this page.
It is all but confirmed. KAF is purchasing 35 (yes, 35) F-15E Strike Eagles. Some will be cannibalised for spares. It's even made it to Wikipedia, though that in itself is meaningless. There are other sources, though. (Military of Kenya - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia).
The F-15E IS a multi-role aircraft ("all-weather, ground-attack strike aircraft"), retaining the F-15s outstanding air-superiority (short-range dogfighting, interceptor) characteristics and enhanced to provide air interdiction as well as close air support for combat troops, a role in which it has excelled. It's record is near-perfect. It is perhaps THE most formidable 4th-generation fighter/attack aircraft. They cost USD 30 million-plus a piece but we will not be purchasing new ones so the cost will be significantly lower. And with a defence budget of close to 1 billion US, purchasing them is not beyond our means. Value-for-money is a different debate.
This is in addition to 30-or-so ex-adminian F-5s (mid-life upgrade), which are replacing the current F-5 fleet. We are, therefore, talking about 60+ air superiority/strike aircraft, which makes ours one of the most powerful air forces on the continent.
Sukhoi are excellent aircraft. The F-15E is comparable to the Su-27/30 (Ethiopia & Uganda) in terms of performance and armament (though the 27 is a fighter only) but in a conflict, it comes down to strategy, pilot training, ground engineering & maintenance and a really long list of other factors. Here, we win hands down. In terms of sheer numbers, we can take on the entire region at the same time. But we wouldn't want to.
As we all know (and contrary to popular opinion), we have also purchased 110 T-72 AV tanks, bringing the total strength to 186 (including the 76 Vickers Mk3s). There are also new APCs and IFVs, the new Pion and Nora self-propelled artillery systems (at 203mm, Pion is the most powerful on the planet), MD500 and Z-9WA direct air penetrator helicopter gun-ships. And there is a newly (or soon-to-be) commissioned elite light air-borne infantry Ranger Battalion (modelled after and trained by the US 75th Ranger Regiment), in addition to other special forces units - 20 Paras, D Company, CDU, Marine Commandos, Delta Force ... the list goes on. We're only scratching the surface here. Traditionally, our armed forces are very secretive.
And why? Well, look around you, fellas. To think that our strategic requirements don't go past Dar or Kampala is being myopic. EAC as we know it is step one. Ethiopia, S. Sudan, DRC are lined up. Even Somalia. Some of the world's largest reserves of oil and minerals in Uganda, S. Sudan, Somalia, Tz, Kenya (it's there all right) and beyond. Inland and off-shore. Need I even mention DRC? Kenya is the gateway to Africa's Horn of Plenty. Kenya ni baba na mama, we're putting the act together. And though we are friends as nations, some of the leaders are unpredictable. We cannot ignore that. These are our vested national and vital interests. Is further elaboration required?
Unlikely as it may be, there are also concerns regarding Egypt vis-à-vis the Nile (treaty) and though they are very far away, Khartoum could easily be used as a proxy. They are in the same camp. That is not our only concern regarding Khartoum. Juba cannot be allowed to fall. The F-15s are not intended for Al-Shabaab. We have special forces for that. So yes. We need the capability to strike as far as Congo. Or Khartoum.
Lighten up, fellas. We're in good hands.
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Wasnt there published reports thats Kenya was procuring one of the most advanced fighter jets, the legendary F-15 Eagle
The moment I heard that story, I said utter bollocks. The only countries that currently fly the F-15 are usa, canada saudi, japan, israel and south korea who have 15 on order. The above are all first world economies with the cash to play in the big leagues and american darlings, as u have to seriously qualify cash or not.
And anyway at 30$ million a pop, who is general kianga fooling.
we better stick to our two opearting (if that) F5E mosquitos.
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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by nairobian » Thu Sep 02, 2010 12:05 pm

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Wasnt there published reports thats Kenya was procuring one of the most advanced fighter jets, the legendary F-15 Eagle
The moment I heard that story, I said utter bollocks. The only countries that currently fly the F-15 are usa, canada saudi, japan, israel and south korea who have 15 on order. The above are all first world economies with the cash to play in the big leagues and american darlings, as u have to seriously qualify cash or not.
And anyway at 30$ million a pop, who is general kianga fooling.
we better stick to our two opearting (if that) F5E mosquitos.
They could not even get a C-130, now they are forced to fly toys from China, you think they can get F-15. I think they wished to get some used ones from Saudis...shida with our military is that we have very stupid people making decisions they do not understand..and you if disagree hutapanda cheo. Ukifika rank ya major, you will sit there till you retire.
China is really diluting our military
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mashada..
I know the F-15 is a great bird, no doubt about it. But it is for longer range missisons, as I say, in the Congo range. Our strategic requirements don't go past Dar or Kampala. Israelis have these planes but never use them against Hamas or even Hezbollah. They are reserved for more serious work - such as the Iraq nuclear reactor. F-16s are good enough for these smaller assignments.

But if we insist that we need F-15s, we must be able to justify why. In any case, no one will sell them to us (the strings I talk about)- even South Africa doesn't have them. So, if we think we need them, the only option is the Sukhoi: An excellent and versatile F-15-like plane. It also has two engines, a similar airframe and architecture as well as Mach rating. But only two of these will swallow Uhuru's annual budget. KC-130? Forget that one.

FYI China, India, North Korea and other countries now make their own MiGs under licence. Iran make their own fighters from the old US F-5s and French Mirages. Italy and even South Africa have some great choppers. Maybe it's time we delinked from the US tyranny and looked elsewhere (not necessarily China).

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Tornado » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:32 am

The reason the F15 story wont die is this...WHEN Kenya Airforce boss visited the joint base at langley USA recently...see pictures as per attached link..

http://www.langley.af.mil/photos/mediag ... sp?page=21

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Tornado » Fri Sep 03, 2010 2:46 am

I F museveni thinks he can get this SU 30 and advance his warlike tendecies in EAST africa AFTER hopping to rig the next election then kenya needs to be prepared we need these birds ...

http://www.airforce-technology.com/projects/f15/

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by ole Nkarei » Sat Sep 04, 2010 2:36 am

We cannot grow as a Kenya Nation without concerning ourselves with the
very dynamics that started the Caucasian Crusades for global
domination 700 years ago - which simply remains
as (1) Raw Materials for industrialization for their exponentially
expanding populations, (2) Markets for the Productions resulting from
the first. Kenyans must wake up to our limitation for Industrial
Material, a factor that stunts our real capacity to growth, National
growth dependent on Domestic Consumption was eclipsed by production
decades ago – we must export with aggression. We must face outwards,
and aggressively establish our spheres of politico-economic-social
influence as ruthlessly as the next Nation - East Africa as is
presently constituted just cannot suffice, we already have conquered
it anyway. The USA has slaughtered or caused the slaughter of over I
Million Iraqis in a deathly fight to establish their vital economic
interests in more than just the Middle-Eastern Region. What
retrospective anguish do you hear coming from the American Population
in consequence? The price in American lives stands at just under 4000
men, and trillions of Dollars – do you hear any guilt expressed
collectively by their people? To grow and survive, we must extend to
the “KIVU” and beyond, and have the Military ability to Project
ourselves in some good measure in the Greater Eastern/Central Africa.
If we don’t, buddy, someone else will, and our Nation will start its
inevitable decline in consequence, make no mistake about this. Very Machiavelli, I
expect you will say, but I am not a preacher, and that deadly cold
logic is what I am paid to do. Somalia is pretty much a “Kenyan
internal affair” in all respects. I said right from the start of the
Bravado speeches from UG that they would get their teeth kicked in,
that they would require our help to extricate them eventually, that we
would not allow any M7 adventurism in Somalia, that we had a
controlled Chaos situation running in Somalia for over a decade that
worked to our strategic interests, that the old economies were miffed
in large measure because Kenya has bested their every effort to
envelope the rest of Eastern Africa in senseless violence with hidden
cache phrases that lack resonance with Africans. See the larger
picture, my brother Chinook.
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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Tornado » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:57 am

Very interesting and couragious snapshot of events by this ole nkerai
ONE wonders why every major western or world organization has set up Nairobi as the regional HQ for activities in the region or east and central Africa.
the MOST recent is the ICC...
DOES IT MEAN WE are being set up for much bigger things?
do our politicians really understand the state of affairs ?
Because we have seen them reading from different scripts just the other day when BASHIR came to town..AND JUDGING from the different reactions IT IS MY STRONG AND very reliable opinion that most Kenyan politicians do not yet know or understand Kenyas unique
and strategic position IN THE REGION.
The MILITARY SITUATION is even more murky when you consider the numbers ...SUDAN has reliably increased its capacity in terms of numbers and equipment.
Uganda has all manner of military adventures going on in the karamojong and OTHER REGIONS.they seem to be on permanent state of movement
THe same APPLIES FOR RWANDA
THEREFORE where does Kenya fit into all this?
WHEN PUSH COMES TO SHOVE do we really have the political will to sort thing out militarily?
The RECENT MIGiNGO SAGA is a sore and shameful remainder that we are not able.
THEREFORE the idea that we can influence and project events as far as "KIVU" SEEMS TO BE a major pipe dream...unless more evidence is presented on the current status of our military ability...i beg to differ..

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Tornado » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:06 am

FIRSTLY there is no doubt the T72 TANKS BELONG to kenya...and they are a vastly an improvement from the older vickers tanks which were bought from the british and also coming from the former soviet block they are a cheap alternative..
ALSO it should be noted that when the SHIP CARRYING the T72 TANKS WAS pirated into somali waters...the consignment included grenade launchers,machine guns and other rockets and ammunition for the tanks
WE do not yet know if all this periphery equipment was recieved intact.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_of_Kenya

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Olekoima » Sun Sep 05, 2010 4:15 am

I find it funny that people still doubt the ownership of the T-72 tanks. Southern Sudan simply doesn't have the capacity and means to operate 110 such tanks. How have they been able if you ask to raise such a large tank force in so short a time? Where were the personnel to operate this tanks trained? Southern Sudan has no tank school.
Over the last five or so years, Kenya has diversified her sources of defense procurement and has tended to increasingly turn to the East in the process. What is more,eastern sources do not attach so many conditions as is the case with west besides one obtaining good quality material for a lesser price. It is also an open secret that Kenya has been modernizing her military over the last five years. This explains the huge military budgets that we have come to get used to in the same period to the extent that we are now the top three military spenders in sub-Saharan behind south Africa and Angola.

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by ole Nkarei » Sun Sep 05, 2010 12:47 pm

Tornado, pls scroll thro the parent-blog of this site, the nairobichronicle.wordpress.com, going back nearly a year, and incrementally educate yourself from earlier posts by a great many professional soldiers, intelligence officers and intel-analysts on these topics of such profound strategic depth and specialisation as to demand from all contributors a certain level of probity and research- seriousness. Political statements such as you've made find no resonance with Uniforms since that is not our purview. We are said to make dispassionate and brutal assessments of threats of deadly force from many theatres. Many non-uniforms dip in here to share and learn. You and others that make casual examination of these matters would be well served to do the same.
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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by ole Nkarei » Wed Sep 15, 2010 4:10 am

So, let us assume that the ability of the Saudi Air Force to consume Stores is just as limited as that of any other Force – notwithstanding their unlimited financial and bilateral ability to purchase any and all stores. Now, they Americans are pushing to completely outfit their Air Force, with very expensive Stores, to the tune of USD65Billion over the next five years with deliveries projected to begin at the close of 2010. So what you reckon the Saudis will do with their old Fighters, Bombers, Air-control systems, Command-and-Control systems only themselves just recently purchased from the same Americans? These are still state of the art equipment, top-shelf cutting edge war equipment, still being copied with varying successes by American Defense Competitors in Asian and Russian. Procurement of this equipment still requires Congressional Approval, and the usual Foreign Policy considerations must apply. So the American create a supply-chain need for both the new equipment ( to keep their industries afloat) and the old ( to respond to the above question of what to do with the old stores, to carrot and sugar tactics to Kenya to wean us away from the growing Asian Connection ( the Stick failed when we stood up on the 4th August and decisively so started on the 27th August). I tell you Risasi, your backside will be strapped to an Ef-15Ee's sooner than you think, Fly-boy! And those T-72s have served their intended purpose - Amoured / Anti-armour, Strategic Air-Defence and Battlefield Defense components will be bulging with the Carrot-end of the American largesse just as soon! Tega masikio ndugu zangun
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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by Tornado » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:58 am

How come we never buy anything from south africa where by i hear they have a fairly complex arms industry?
the other day CNN featured this clip on amoured APCs

http://edition.cnn.com/video/#/video/in ... africa.cnn

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Re: The Kenyan F-15 Jet story

Unread post by mwaura » Mon Sep 20, 2010 10:22 am

FIRSTLY there is no doubt the T72 TANKS BELONG to kenya...and they are a vastly an improvement from the older vickers tanks which were bought from the british and also coming from the former soviet block they are a cheap alternat
ive..
Is that so,tornado? Personally I wonder why the DOD didn't go for the Ukrainian Yatagan,with a 120mm main gun. The Greeks and Turks almost choose it til NATO politics squashed the deal-those in the know say its a very good tank on the level with Leopards2, Challenger2s and T90s and yet its comparatively cheap. The Bangledishis have it in their armoured regiments.
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