Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Tornado » Sat Sep 04, 2010 5:31 am

As far as i can remember Somalia has been Kenyas main supplier of insecurity since 1960s
WE STARTED FIGHTING with the prolonged shifta insurgency when SOMALIS IN THE NORTH EASTERN were said to be habouring desires of ceeding to the then grater "Somalia".

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Somal ... 5ea48efee7

Kenyan INTELIGENCE operations coupled with a sustained counter insurgency operations by the military and police units prevailed.
POLITICAL education for the masses in these ares caused them to realize that remaining part of Kenya WAS the most viable and sustainable position.
THE current state of affairs is very much leading to an example of another AFGHANISTAN where religious fanatics who misinterpret true Islam are taking hold of the society.
Many foreign based fanatics are making their way to Somalia because they see it as the next front in the war against the western values...that IS why we are seeing the rise and rise of Islamic fundamentalism.
THE RECENT bombings in KAMPALA are A CRUDE AND DEADLY REMAINDER THAT East Africans need to act in tandem and stop the spread of this brand of fanatic religious observance in our region.
The geopolitical position of Somalia and the said possible findings of oil somewhere along its coastline is another contributing factor where there are vested interests for our own economic activity.
Kenya recently laid claim to more miles of its own offshore coastline and this is a pointer to future race to control economic activity in this area...
Therefore a stable Somalia may be good for Kenya BUT as currently is the situation THE ONLY benefit we are getting IS the massive inflow of undocumented funds coming from all manner of activity in Somalia including piracy.
Ask YOURSELF why these INDIGINOUS Somali Somalis have been buying up property in Nairobi since mid 1990s..SUCH THAT in some places PROPERTY PRICES are astronomical...and these guys are able to buy MOSTLY in cash.
T HE downside is the massive rise in crime by use of firearms which find there way into Kenya via gun running from lawless Somalia and a long Porus border with Kenya.

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Tornado » Sun Sep 05, 2010 2:13 am

I do not believe KENYATTA or the government at that time was ready or thinking of giving up north eastern province to SOMALIA
my personal recollections those days was that KENYATTA WAS very paranoid about kenyas teritorial intergrity..and he would go to great lengths to remind kenyans at every public speech he gave.He always used to swear to protect kenyas borders by all means.
I remembar the fiasco generated by entebe RAID RESCUE whereby Isreal commandos raided the airport to rescue hijacked passengers from an air france plane
This RESCUE was not going to succeed without kenyas cooperation and AMIN became livid with anger and threatened to annex KENYAS teritory up to NAIVASHA.
KENYATTA dared him to try and indeed put the kenyan public on war footing...
there were rallies and anti AMIN demonstrations all over the country and even all transit goods to uganda were suspended ...and within days AMIN backed down..FLEW TO nakuru state HOUSE AND made piece with mzee.
I do not think mzee kenyatta or moi could have taken this migingo saga lying down the way the current leadership has done

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Olekoima » Sun Sep 05, 2010 5:41 am

I agree with you Tornado. I have never come across an incident where Kenya was to cede NFD to Somalia. I wonder where Nairobipundit is getting all these.Any links to support your claims?Would love to see.

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Unread post by ole Nkarei » Sun Sep 05, 2010 1:25 pm

I cannot believe what I am reading in this Site! That kenya considered throwing in the towel to the shifta? Where in heaven did you read, hear, see such nonsense, Mr. Nairobipundit? What records credit this assertion? Can we get some seriousness in this site? What study have you conducted to conclude the NFD has such poor value? Do you not see how incongrous conflict would be without anticipated gain? And that this is the sole reason why the entire larger somali-land is hz turmoil this long? And why kenya spends in excess of USD 650 Million yearly since 2OO6 on Defense alone? On a school map of africa, are you unable discern just how centrally vital somalia is to the future of the Kivu, GoSS, Ethiopia, Kenya, Uganda, Ituri, CAR, etc? May I plead for seriousness if we are to educate each other, brothers?
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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Tornado » Mon Sep 06, 2010 11:31 am

WHO thinks somalia will be at peace soon..we can see the militia is growing stronger...who is financing all this?


http://www.africareview.com/News/New%20 ... index.html

it seems we shall be facing this threat for along time...

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Unread post by ole Nkarei » Mon Sep 06, 2010 10:28 pm

Nairobipundit. Pls allow some digression for an instant. Blogs such as these that seek to educate and inform are in equal measure used by varying Intelligence Agencies including several outside our region for espionage, counter-intelligence and varying levels of disinformatiion. There are dedicated Desks that pore through daily planting and reaping bits of valuable morsels. It is for this reason that i contribute to your this and it's parent-blog and others, being unashamedly and unapologetically Uniformed. I AND lot of other Uniforms contribute bits of information on complex and military-specific matters to bring balance and meat on such discussions - to tell our story, if you want. There are risks to such actions since our posts are not DoD sanctioned - unless of course one is holding brief on such a Desk i alluded to above. So, you want the Uniforms to "go dark" then keep this quality level of contributions. Beyond all else, we want to share what is secure and safe to share, but the blog must give confidence it is secure itself. In my view, it does not, and the reluctance to cross-over of certain bloggers is proof of this. Get serious, and you will get value. This story about kenya ceding to the Shiita that you now admit you pulled off youtube, is case in point - ludicrous and frivolous. Up to you, buddy.
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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

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Unread post by ole Nkarei » Tue Sep 21, 2010 5:46 pm

:oops: those somali infantry trained in manyani and Ethiopia are deploying in November in full Brigade-size. Primary theatre is south and central somalia, pivoting at kismayo-to-mogadishu. With a little bit of help from Kenya, on tactical comms, hard Intel, pathfinder recon, tactical air-support, logistis and resupply, Brigade-level tactical-command assistance, external political support, etc. these chaps will rout AQ in short order. Once deployed, a aggravated covert insertions of spec ops easier to masks, as well as lightning-fast short duration opportunistic egress to depth by, say the Light Calv. The E U is also about to pass-out a battalion of somali recruits training in U G - not sure their time and sector of deployment yet. Then, the infighting in transitional government are about over, hopefully a more coherent command-structure will result. Finally, Joe Biden didn't "read the riot act" on anybody, as was trumpeted by our gullible media-houses. Because their U S Intel Agencies' threat-reports consistently downgraded the somalia problem as a non-event, the long requested upgrading of our Military by the U S justified by our threat assessments was going nowhere. So Joe i.ae a gauntlet thrown at him - that kenya's future engagement with Uncle Sam would henceforth be tied to their reactions to Kenya's security concerns vide somalia - PERIOD! The gauntlet was rapidly picked up! HAPPY TIMES ARE COMING!
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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Tornado » Mon Dec 20, 2010 4:11 pm

a blast from the past... if the terror attack in tonights bomb explosion on river road in nairobi is linked to somalian alshabab thugs then we need to take decive action and sort these guys kabisa..

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Terminator » Mon Dec 20, 2010 7:03 pm

Stability in Somalia is good for everyone. This has been achieved by the Islamic Courts government. What Kenya ought to have done at that point was to reach out and support that government - recognize it, open embassies etc. Ethiopia should not have allowed itself to be used by the US to bring chaos back to Somalia after that. Unfortunately Africans propensity for ujinga is not exaggerated and what happened is clearly documented.
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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by nyuthe » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:48 am

shabaab has imploded..been very quite last few days...top leaders missing seems like global jihadist have their way. now som is like a choo in cum in go..blak water wako huko planning on twitter revolution for UG oil and s. sudan and ethiopia we are in for something major the shabaab silence is deafening

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Tornado » Wed Feb 02, 2011 5:54 am

nyuthe wrote:shabaab has imploded..been very quite last few days...top leaders missing seems like global jihadist have their way. now som is like a choo in cum in go..blak water wako huko planning on twitter revolution for UG oil and s. sudan and ethiopia we are in for something major the shabaab silence is deafening
most alshabab operatives have been taken out by kenyan special units operating very quietly...

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Re: Peace or chaos in Somalia..which is better4kenya?

Unread post by Olekoima » Thu Apr 14, 2011 8:47 am

Tornado wrote:
nyuthe wrote:shabaab has imploded..been very quite last few days...top leaders missing seems like global jihadist have their way. now som is like a choo in cum in go..blak water wako huko planning on twitter revolution for UG oil and s. sudan and ethiopia we are in for something major the shabaab silence is deafening
most alshabab operatives have been taken out by kenyan special units operating very quietly...
Well, that is the best strategy. Why make noise and hence invite trouble to yourself when you can finish them off quietly?

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